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And so, of course, having found this recording, it was then especially important to me that

I got in touch with Sarah Carroll, Chris's partner and her sons George and Finn, for them
to listen to it and for them to be happy with me releasing something like that and to also
contact BLUESFEST Promoter Peter Noble, (seeing this was recorded off the desk at
BYRON BAY Bluesfest), to make sure that all stakeholders were happy with me proceeding.
And I think everyone was really encouraging about releasing this recording as a legacy,

as an historic legacy, you know, to I suppose extend the legacy of people like Hubert and
Chris and their musical body of work. Yes, it's been quite a labour of love.

FD: We all know what it's like moving house, and as
you said, you've had several moves, so sometimes you
find gems, and you found a fantastic gem with Live at
BLUESFEST 2004.

Now, it is officially out now via your website, but you've
got a big tour schedule ahead of you as well, and one I

noticed that's happening the launch of Blak N Blues
with Uncle Glenn Loughery in Hawthorne. What is that
all about?

FB: Well yes, I have been busy, so I often have a lot of
Uncle Glenn Loughery different projects on the go, and one of the things I have
been doing is a collaboration with a Wiradjuri Elder,

(above) who is a poet. We met a little-while back, and I thought he was a really interesting
person, an interesting public speaker. He's on the board of a lot of different organizations
as well, an interesting guy.

We do this as a bit of a noble experiment; it's like an interdisciplinary, intercultural
conversation. We've been doing this collaboration called Blak N Blues, and basically it
will be, we'll have a little introduction. I'll play a song, and we kind of talk about the blues
as an oral tradition and also the Indigenous perspective as an oral tradition. So if I play a

song about something, then Glenn will respond with a little bit of a chat about that thing
or that topic and then recite one of his poems that is in that theme or topic. And I found
it really interesting, and then quite often in his comments, in his commentary at that point,
will spark an idea for one the original one of my own original songs.

So then I'll respond with another song, and so it goes back and forth as sort of a
conversation between, I guess, blues with poetry from an indigenous perspective, from
Uncle Glenn.

It's a book launch because he had a collection of poetry, some of it in language, or bits and
pieces of language and descriptions and stuff. So this is now compiled back into a book,
Bina Bira Bina, and there's a longer title in language, but that book, which also has some
of his, it's going to be launched tomorrow, and we're doing a performance of Blak Blues
as part of that book launch.

FD: They can find out more details on your website but then you're also doing a solo gig

on Saturday the 4th at Ffyansford Art Gallery, near Geelong, a nice little funky venue. And
then the launch is on Sunday at the Way Out West, with, as you said, Sarah and Shannon
Borune.