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                                                                      Q&A: Ford and Gosling go head


                                                                      to head in ‘Blade Runner 2049’

                                                                      By LINDSEY BAHR              know.                        I  don’t  know  how  old  you
                                                                       AP Film Writer              AP:  People  have  made  a  are. I really don’t. But I think
                                                                      LOS ANGELES (AP) — Harri-    big  deal  about  you  acci-  I was about 25 or 26 when
                                                                      son Ford has a running joke  dentally  punching  Ryan,  I  was  under  contract  at
                                                                      that  he  can’t  remember  but  what  was  it  like  to  Columbia.  However  much
                                                                      Ryan Gosling’s name.“I was  perform  that  long  fight  se-  past 25 you are. ... It takes
                                                                      delighted for a chance to  quence?                        more now. You have to be
                                                                      work  with  the  kid.  What’s  GOSLING: Squirrely.        a  lot  more  real  than  the
                                                                      his  name?”  Ford  told  The  FORD: It’s complicated.     business is.
                                                                      Associated Press earlier this  GOSLING: Touch and go.     GOSLING: Really?
                                                                      year.He did it again recent-  FORD: It’s complicated      FORD:  Back  then  it  was
             In this Sept. 21, 2017 file photo, actors Harrison Ford, left, and   ly on a talk show, this time  GOSLING: Hit or miss.  more  business  than  reality.
            Ryan Gosling pose for photographers during the photo call for   sitting next to Gosling.  FORD:  It  was  a  lot  of  hit-  They  just  wanted  to  twist
            “Blade Runner 2049” in London.                            “Ryan?”  Ford  asked  his  ting and only one failure to  you  into  a  shape  that  re-
                                                     Associated Press  “Blade  Runner  2049”  co-  miss.  But  the  camera  was  sembled  something  else,
                                                                      star  after  a  brief  pause,  moving,  Ryan  was  moving  something successful. They
                                                                      dutifully playing the part of  backward, I’m moving for-  didn’t give a rat’s ass about
                                                                      the  “slightly  aloof  75-year-  ward. I’m the one who can  what was individual about
                                                                      old  legend.”“It’s  Ryan,”  see  where  the  camera  is.  you.  Anything  that  might
                                                                      responded  Gosling,  36,  in  There  are  strobe  lights  go-  potentially  be  interesting
                                                                      a deadpan voice, playing  ing  on  at  the  same  time.  about  you  was  just  not  of
                                                                      the “bemused co-star” role  He’s reacting to the punch-   interest.  The  business  has
                                                                      in the bit.Or perhaps it’s not  es. It was complicated and  matured  a  lot  since  then
                                                                      a bit at all. It’s hard to tell  that’s  fun.  It’s  physical  but  and  has  attracted  more
                                                                      with these two, who some-    it’s  fun.  I  remember  that  mature artists.
                                                                      how  manage  to  whiplash  couple of days being great  AP:  Is  there  anything  that
                                                                      among  sincerity,  sarcasm  until I had to humiliate my-  worries you about the state
                                                                      and  humor  in  a  three-    self with an apology.        of  Hollywood  or  where  it’s
                                                                      word  response.In  a  recent  (Gosling laughs)            going?FORD:  I’m  not  a
                                                                      interview  with  the  AP  it  is  FORD: I had to crawl to your  generalist. There is no such
                                                                      clear,  however,  that  Ford  dressing  room  carrying  a  thing  as  Hollywood  any-
                                                                      and Gosling are genuinely  bottle of scotch.              way.  It’s  an  imagination.
                                                                      amused  by  one  another,  GOSLING: He came in and  There  are  movies  being
                                                                      even if Ford might not ac-   said, “I forgive you.”       made  all  over  the  world,
                                                                      tually know how old his co-  FORD: Yeah.                  stories  being  told.  Incred-
                                                                      star is.                     GOSLING: Which was inter-    ible  films  being  made  in
                                                                      AP: Did you two know each  esting  that  he  describes  it  countries   you’ve   never
                                                                      other before?                as crawling to my dressing  even heard of that are just
                                                                      FORD:  Him?  No.  I  met  him  room to say, “I forgive you.”  as advanced and emotion-
                                                                      once or twice casually. But  FORD: I didn’t need to say  ally  interesting.  Hollywood
                                                                      I knew his work. I loved his  that.                       is  a  state  of  mind.  It’s  a
                                                                      ambitions. I loved his choic-  GOSLING:  No,  you  didn’t!  tourist  attraction.  But,  hav-
                                                                      es.  I  loved  the  filmmakers  That was big of you.      ing said that, there are still
                                                                      he chose to work with when  FORD: A lot of guys wouldn’t  enormous  resources  avail-
                                                                      he  could  have  had  much  have made the effort. But I  able  for  filmmakers.  There
                                                                      more obvious choices and  reached out.                    are  opportunities.  There
                                                                      I  loved  what  it  produced.  GOSLING:  It  warmed  my  are  people  in  the  movie
                                                                      ...  But  the  producers  had  heart.                     business who have a keen
                                                                      been  thinking  about  him  AP:  Ryan  now  is  basically  understanding  of  the  busi-
                                                                      anyway so it didn’t matter  the  same  age  you  were  ness  and  an  appreciation
                                                                      what I thought.              when you became very fa-     for  the  work  and  the  work
                                                                      AP:  You  had  some  pretty  mous.  Ryan,  do  you  hope  that the workers do. But the
                                                                      harrowing  stunts,  including  to follow in Harrison’s foot-  notion of Hollywood is kind
                                                                      a big set piece in a water  steps and still be doing this  of broken.
                                                                      tank.GOSLING: It was a lot  when you’re 75?               AP:  What  do  you  think,
                                                                      like it looks like on camera.  FORD:  Let’s  call  it  tracks,  Ryan?
                                                                      FORD: Things go a lot slower  not footsteps.              GOSLING: I’m learning. I’m
                                                                      when  you’re  working  with  GOSLING: His experience is  taking notes, too.
                                                                      mechanical  beasts  and  so unique to him. The fact  AP:  Ryan,  does  this  film
                                                                      wave  machines.  The  time  that  he,  at  my  age  was,  have  you  thinking  about
                                                                      between  the  time  it  takes  well,  not  beginning,  he’d  whether  you’d  revisit  any
                                                                      to  take  the  takes  takes.  ...  been  doing  it  for  a  long  of your characters some 35
                                                                      Let me say that again: The  time  before,  but  at  the  years later?
                                                                      time  between  the  time  it  same time you were a fully  GOSLING:  The  thing  is  any
                                                                      takes to take the takes, it’s  formed  person  before  this  actor  would  be  lucky  to
                                                                      not the time it takes to take  whole  other  element  got  create  one  character  in
                                                                      the takes, it’s the time be-  introduced.  I  guess  I  can’t  their  career  that  anyone
                                                                      tween  it  takes  to  take  the  really say that ...      would  want  to  revisit,  let
                                                                      takes that takes the time.   FORD: You’re being gener-    alone  multiple  times,  let
                                                                      GOSLING: Is this what peyo-  ous.  I  was  a  late  bloomer.  alone  multiple  characters.
                                                                      te feels like?               It  took  me  a  long  time  to  It’s   pretty   unparalleled
                                                                      FORD:  (laughs)  I  wouldn’t  get  me  to  where  you  are.  what he’s doing.q
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