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         the situation in Gaza and the population paid the price.
         I believe that the new Hamas leadership, who are them-
         selves from Gaza, felt that a change was needed.


         So, in no cases did the Ramallah administration work
         with the Israelis to destabilise Hamas?
           We do not agree with Hamas on everything, but they are
         part of the Palestinian people. We would never work with
         the Israelis to harm our people.

         Does Hamas now recognise Israel?
           Hamas will be part of the Government of National Unity
         which recognises the right of the State of Israel to exist.
         Some parties in the Israeli Government do not recognise
         the right of the Palestinian State to exist, but what matters   Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas
         to us is the recognition of their government as a whole. The    
         same logic should apply in their case.                  What is the Palestinian strategy for initiating any pro-
                                                                 cess that will lead to a lasting resolution?
         How has the situation in Qatar, which was understood     Peace is our strategy. But there are other forces at play
         to provide support to Hamas, influenced the situation?  that we can leverage. President Trump has said he wanted
           We must not let external factors prevent us from focusing   to make the ‘deal of the century’, and there are talks with
         on our national cause. We must choose our own path. The   US envoys Jason Greenblatt and Jared Kushner. We think
         Israelis are trying to torpedo this agreement but we won’t   that President Trump is serious about this. If the US admin-
         let them. Reconciliation is the only way forward.       istration is a friend of Israel, as they constantly say, then
                                                                 they will want peace for Israel. We want the occupation to
                                                                 end in order to enjoy true independence. If the US admin-
         Speaking of rapprochement and reconciliation, has       istration is serious about peace they will propose a proper
         there been any movement since we last talked in terms   two-state solution based upon the 1967 borders.
         of serious discussion with the Israeli Government?       We shall also pursue legitimacy and justice through es-
           No, there is no progress at all. We are in a worse situation   tablished international bodies such as the UN and the In-
         than when I last talked to you three years ago. Settlements   ternational Criminal Court. We also hope that the EU will
         and settler numbers continue to increase. The Israeli Gov-  take more steps to promote peace in the region.
         ernment has shifted towards the extreme right and some   In 2002 the Arab Summit proposed a plan for peace, pre-
         Israeli politicians have called on their government to oc-  sented by Prince Abdullah of Saudi Arabia. That plan is still
         cupy the entire West Bank and expel all Palestinians. A   on the table. If Israel withdraws from occupied Arab terri-
         senior Israeli politician (Minister of education Neftali Benett)   tories, all Arab countries would establish normal diplomatic
         said late last year that it was time for a massive settlement   relations with it. The Organisation for Islamic Cooperation
         building boom. How can there be progress with this sort of   also said that they would establish peace and normal rela-
         rhetoric and this sort of posturing?                    tions once Israel withdraws from occupied lands. It is in
                                                                 Israel’s strategic interest to end the occupation and make
         Do  you  see  any  counterbalance  within  Israel  to  the   peace with its neighbours. In 1978, Israel signed a peace
         standpoint of Prime Minister Netanyahu’s Govern-        deal which Egypt followed by a similar deal with Jordan in
         ment?                                                   1994. The ice between Israel and those two Arab coun-
           The outlook is not good. In fact, the new chairperson of   tries has not thawed, but at least there have been no real
         the opposition Labour Party, Avi Gabbay, recently made   incidents between them. The best way for Israel to guar-
         statements that are even more extreme than the rhetoric   antee its security is by making peace.
         used by the Likud led Government. However, things are
         changing at the grassroots level. A significant proportion   Do you believe that, after recent contacts between the
         of Israelis want lasting peace and are tired of this ongoing   two, Saudi Arabia could be the third country that Israel
         situation. Around 30000 primarily Israeli women recently   can make a deal with?
         marched to Jericho to demand peace. There are also or-   No, I don’t think so at all. Saudi Arabia will not engage
         ganisations calling for sanctions against Israel. Moreover,   with Israel in a serious manner as long as Israel occupies
         Breaking the Silence, a group of Israeli military veterans   Arab lands. The Israelis claim they have initiated ties with
         who  tell  what  they have  seen  and  done  during  military   Riyadh, but there is no tangible proof of that. Israel also
         operations against Palestinians in occupied territories, is   claims that the Gulf region is becoming more pro-Israel,
         quite active.                                           but reactions from that region, particularly that of the


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