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and have it create a situa-  My wife and son started   You describe a problem: A   Do you think a founder
       tion where there would be a   [apparel brand] Kit and   boundary- pushing creative   always knows what’s best
       large changeover in board   Ace, and I got involved with   team could be successful   for a company?
       members, in order to get rid   it. But I soon realized that I   for 11 straight quarters, but   I think it’s going to be 50-50.
       of the CEO and hire another   wasn’t willing to put in the   inevitably, they’ll stumble.    You’re going to end up with
       CEO. As of last month, I   18 hours a day. My mind   And when they do, the opera-  founders who became really
       accomplished that. So you   wasn’t there. In my 16 years   tional side steps in and takes   successful because they
       can say that I haven’t been   at Lululemon, my job was   command, creatives never   understood the underlying
       involved, or you can say that   to be five to seven years in   regain control, and the com-  subconscious of the con-
       I’ve been very strategically   the future, so if Lululemon   pany stalls.       sumer—but they became
       involved and my strategy has   was doing three and a half   That’s what I noticed hap-  so attached to that one
       come to fruition. [In July,   billion dollars in sales,   pened. When I was CEO of the   idea, and when the world
       Lululemon announced a new   my mind was always on    company, man, I had to fight   changed, they’d gotten older
       CEO, Calvin McDonald. He   Lululemon being like seven,   for creative, and I had to fight   and weren’t the customer
       replaced Laurent Potdevin,   eight, 10 billion dollars in   for the times when it failed.   anymore. You can see that a
       who was ousted earlier this   sales. So my frame of mind   And of course, if you have a   lot in the apparel business.
       year and accused by the com-  isn’t set up any longer for a   CEO that has to report to the   They’re making clothing for
       pany of conduct violations.]   small startup.        public every quarter and the   a 25-year-old, but suddenly
                                                            board is concerned about their   they’re 50 and don’t really
       But that doesn’t address the   There are other notable   reputation, then everything   understand the fashion of
       emotional component. It’s   founders in the news right   starts to become about control   the new 25-year-old any-
       easy for me to say this, hav-  now trying to get back into   of the creative process. No    more. They’re not up on
       ing not created something   the company they founded—  one can quantify how great   the music, they can’t see
       like Lululemon, but to put it   Travis Kalanick of Uber, John   creative has been over the    the trends, blah blah blah.
       plainly: You created a suc-  Schnatter of Papa John’s.   other 11 quarters. But oper-  Now, there’s the other
       cessful company, you made   Leaving out their individual   ational people can definitely   50 percent that eat, live, and
       quite a lot of money, your   scandals, do you sympathize   prove where it didn’t work    breathe that 25-year-old
       relationship with it didn’t go   with them?          in the one quarter.        and surround themselves
       as I imagine you would want,
       but why bother continuing to
       talk about it and trying to get
       back in it? Why not move on?           [LULULEMON] IS ALL I THINK ABOUT ALL DAY LONG. IF I
       I think—not “I think,” I               TAKE MYSELF OUT OF THAT, THEN I KIND OF GO, LIKE, ‘WHO
       know—that what Lululemon
       is, is every ounce of who I am.        AM I?’…IT’S LIKE A LOT OF MEN WHO RETIRE AND GO, ‘OH
       As a human being, it’s every-          MY GOD; I WAS AN ACCOUNTANT, AND NOW I’M NOTHING.’ ”
       thing I was meant to do. It’s
       all I think about all day long.
       If I take myself out of that,
       then I kind of go, like, “Who   Well, in order to answer   Isn’t this a trap any company   with 25-year-olds, listen to
       am I?” Am I emotionally    that, I have to preface    can fall into?            their music, watch the vid-
       attached to it? Is it my iden-  it by saying whatever I know   All good CEOs probably have   eos. They have an innate
       tity? It’s like a lot of men who   from reading about them    a group of mentors, if not a   sense for it.
       retire and go, “Oh my God;   in the press is probably    board of advisers. And a good
       I was an accountant, and   2 percent of what is actually   CEO will be attuned to what I   How would a founder
       now I’m nothing.” So I had to   true. It’s one of the reasons    would call their flat spots—in   be aware if they’re in one
       ask myself those questions.   I wrote the book; if you   other words, everyone’s good   group or the other?
       Do I have any more to offer   leave the press to write the   at something, and everyone’s   You have a group that
       Lululemon, and is it what   story, they won’t get it right.   not good at something. It’s   is interested in self-
       excites me? Is that who I am   So do I have sympathy for   just a genetic makeup. So the   development, the psychol-
       when I get up in the morning?   them? I do, but I don’t know   astute person will have the   ogy of change. They’re
       And it’s exactly who I am. I   their real story.     right kind of advisers around   aware of themselves. They
       have an area of expertise that                       them, or a CEO will have the   look for feedback. They’re
       can add a lot of value.    Throughout your book, you   ability to say, “I’m really weak   not hurt by feedback. And
                                  make a case for the impor-  in creative and brand; I need   then you have the other
       Were you ever interested in   tance of supporting a com-  to hire somebody who is a   50 percent that is the
       starting another company?  pany’s creative teams.    world expert at this.”     opposite of that.


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