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Ideas & Inventions / Interview


             PROFILE  STEVEN WEINBERG
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              Born in New York City in 1933, Weinberg began his career at the University                   TO MORE
            of California, Berkeley before teaching at institutions including Harvard and                 FROM THIS
            the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. His work in the field of theoretical               INTERVIEW
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            physics has won numerous awards, perhaps most notably the Nobel Prize in
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            Physics in 1979. He is currently a professor at the University of Texas at Austin.
             IN CONTEXT                        a moving platform – the Earth. But   How far did the Middle Ages set the
                         The development
             of scientific thought – broadly, the   Copernicus made no significant observa-  ground for the scientific revolution?
             attempt to make sense of the physical   tions of his own: he was relying on what   The Middle Ages certainly provided an
             universe – is generally understood   Ptolemy had already done. There are many   institutional framework in the form of the
             to have undergone particularly rapid   similar examples, too.        great universities. Copernicus was educated
             progress in two periods. The ancient   However, while we refer to Isaac   at universities in Italy; Galileo taught at
             Greek world saw contributions from   Newton’s work to explain the mechanics of   Padua and was then a professor at Pisa,
             figures including polymath Ptolemy,   motion and gravity in physics courses   although he didn’t teach; Newton was
             while the developments of the 16th   today, we don’t go back to the Greeks. They   always associated with the University of
             and 17th-century scientific revolution   are part of our heritage, but their value was   Cambridge. These universities were
             were generated by thinkers including   mostly in making the scientific revolution   offshoots of the cathedral schools that had
             physicists and mathematicians Isaac   of the 16th and 17th centuries possible.  begun a kind of intellectual revolution in
             Newton and Galileo Galilei, astronomer
             Nicolaus Copernicus and philosopher                                  the 11th century in Europe. They kept alive
             and scientist René Descartes.     Why were the ancient Greeks able to   the idea of a rational universe governed by
                                               produce so much important work?    law, and in particular when the teachings of
                                               Well, not all of them were. The period that   Aristotle became firmly fixed in the
            What inspired you to write this book?  many people think of as the golden age of   academic curriculum, the idea of a rational,
            I had been teaching an undergraduate   ancient Greece – the Hellenic period (the   understandable world became dominant in
            course in the history of physics and   fifth and fourth centuries BC), when   European thought.
            astronomy for students who didn’t already   Athens was at the centre of intellectual life   But it wasn’t a scientific world. No one
            know a lot about it. As I taught, I became   – was not very productive, scientifically.   in the Middle Ages really had anything
            aware that things in the past were quite   They made some qualitative advances (for   approaching our modern conception of
            different from what I had thought. It’s not   example, the philosopher and scientist Aris-  science, and they made very little progress
            true to say that scientists were reaching for   totle gave a nice argument for why the   towards actual scientific knowledge. There
            the same goals as us and that they were   Earth is a sphere), but the detailed math-  were arguments about the possible move-
            simply not getting as close as we’ve come.   ematical confrontation of theory and   ment of the Earth, but in the end they
            In fact, they really had no idea of the kind   observation we associate with modern   didn’t lead to anything like the Copernican
            of things that can be learned about the   physics and astronomy didn’t exist. That   theory. The Middle Ages was not an
            world and the way to learn it. And    began in the Hellenistic period, when the   intellectual desert, but it wasn’t a period
            I began to see the history of science not as   centre of Greek thought moved to Alexan-  that resembles either the Hellenistic age
            the accumulation of facts and theories, but   dria, and the Greek city-states were   that went before or the scientific revolution
            as the learning of a way of interacting with   absorbed into empires, first the Hellenistic   that came afterwards.
            nature that leads to reliable knowledge.    kingdoms and then the Roman empire.
            It’s surprised me how far the great natural   I don’t know precisely why the change   What was the contribution of Islamic
            scientists of the past were from anything   happened at that point. Greek thought in   thinkers in this period?
            like our modern conception of science.  general took a less aristocratic tone, and   After the decline of the Roman empire in
                                               people who did science also began to be   the west, science became, I would say,
            Heading to the start of this story, how   concerned with its practical application.   ineffective and largely absent in the Greek
            much do we owe the ancient Greeks?  They also became much less religious: the   half of the Roman empire. You find no
            I think the people of the scientific revolu-  religiosity you find in the work of Plato,   scientific work – at least, I’m not aware of
            tion owed them a tremendous amount,   which is largely gone with Aristotle, seems   any – during about 1,000 years of the
            particularly the Greeks of the Hellenistic   to be completely absent by the time you    Byzantine empire. During that period,
            (roughly the third, second and first   get to the great Hellenistics leading up    science was kept alive in the world of Islam,
            centuries BC) and Roman periods. For   to Ptolemy.                    first in the form of translations of the great
            example, Copernicus did not base his                                  accomplishments of the Greeks and in
            theory of the Earth going around the Sun                              original work that built on and improved
            on his own observations or those of his                               on what the Hellenistic and Roman Greeks
            contemporaries in Europe, but on the   The study of the               had done.
            earlier work of the Greeks, particularly                                Some of it was very impressive: I think of
                                               history of science
            Ptolemy. He saw that Ptolemy’s theory                                 the work of al-Haytham in optics, who for
            could be rectified and made understandable                             the first time understood why light is bent
            by just changing the point of view from a   is the best antidote      when it goes, for example, from air into
            stationary Earth to a stationary Sun with                             water. However, although Islamic science
            the Earth orbiting it. The peculiarities of   to the philosophy       in one form or another continued for a few
            Ptolemy’s theory were simply due to the                               centuries, its golden age was really pretty
            fact that we observe the solar system from   of science               much over by 1100. If you list the great




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