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            How I ditched debt: 'It made our marriage so strong'




            By LAURA MCMULLER                                                                                                   guilt of Ray's piercing eyes!
            NerdWallet                                                                                                          HOW DID YOU TWO DISCUSS
            Associated Press                                                                                                    MONEY  AND  HOLD  EACH
            Ray    Robertson's   debt-                                                                                          OTHER ACCOUNTABLE?
            payoff   journey   involves                                                                                         Ray:  We'd  sit  down  every
            two  fateful  conversations                                                                                         single  week  to  look  at  our
            across  the  ocean  from                                                                                            budget    and    calendar.
            where he grew up.                                                                                                   We'd  make  sure  we  were
            The  first  was  a  blind  date                                                                                     both on the same page in
            with  his  future  wife,  Bailey.                                                                                   terms of what we're spend-
            Ray had moved from Can-                                                                                             ing,  and  what  money  is
            terbury,  England,  to  the                                                                                         coming  in  and  going  out.
            Nashville,  Tennessee,  area                                                                                        That communication, espe-
            for a soccer scholarship at                                                                                         cially in the beginning of a
            Martin  Methodist  College                                                                                          marriage, is so key. Paying
            and  met  Bailey  soon  after                                                                                       off this debt together made
            graduating  in  2012.  The                                                                                          our marriage so strong.
            second meeting was about                                                                                            And the best thing about a
            a  year  later,  Thanksgiving                                                                                       budget is that it's kind of an
            2013, when Ray asked Bai-                                                                                           informal contract between
            ley's father for his marriage                                                                                       the two. If one of you buys
            blessing.                                                                                                           something random, you've
            He got the blessing — with   In this undated image provided by NerdWallet, Ray Robertson and his wife Bailey pose for a photo.  pretty  much  broken  the
            a  stipulation.  Bailey's  fa-                                                                     Associated Press  trust of your partner.
            ther  wanted  the  couple                                                                                           WHAT  ADVICE  DO  YOU
            to  enroll  in  Dave  Ramsey's  product  manager,  recent-  for  income,  expenses  and  Ray: I have no regrets now,  HAVE FOR YOUNG COUPLES
            Financial  Peace  Univer-    ly  connected  with  Nerd-   debts.  Then  Dave  Ramsey  because  it's  a  lot  nicer  on  WORKING  TOGETHER  TO
            sity.  The  two  signed  up  for  Wallet  to  share  their  story,  dropped his app called Ev-  the other side. I think back  PAY OFF DEBT?
            the  video-based  money  which may inspire your own  eryDollar, which did every-       to  then,  and  I  definitely  Bailey:  Have  open,  in-
            course  in  2014  and  found  journey in paying off debt .  thing  my  spreadsheet  did.  could have been a bit over  depth conversations about
            it to be "life-changing," Ray  WHAT  WAS  YOUR  TOTAL  So  I  was  an  early  adopter  the top. I was so into it — I  your goals and dreams. This
            says.  They  began  learning  DEBT  WHEN  YOU  STARTED  of that and still use it to this  just  wanted  to  be  done  will  get  you  on  the  same
            how to budget, hold each  YOUR  REPAYMENT  JOUR-          day.                         with debt. But, we wouldn't  page and make you work
            other accountable and set  NEY, AND WHAT IS IT NOW?       WHAT  WAS  YOUR  LIFESTYLE  be where we are right now  together  without  question.
            goals, including paying off  Ray:  We  had  a  little  over  LIKE  WHILE  YOU  TACKLED  without  making  those  sac-  Ray  and  I  have  learned
            about $33,000 in combined  $33,000  in  consumer  debt:  YOUR DEBTS?                   rifices. It really set us up for  to be a good balance for
            debts.                       About  $18,000  for  Bai-    Ray:  We  truly  lived  like  no  future success, and it made  what  each  other  needs.  I
            The    Robertsons   began  ley's  student  loans,  nearly  one  else.  While  our  friends  us grow up a lot quicker.  can let him know when he
            tackling these debts in Au-  $14,000  for  a  car  loan,  were  going  out  to  dinner,  WHAT'S  LIFE  LIFE  NOW  'ON  is throwing too much of our
            gust  2014,  after  moving  to  about $800 for a bank loan  we  were  cooking;  when  THE OTHER SIDE'?              money  into  our  future  in-
            Houston, where Ray made  balance,  and  a  little  over  they  were  at  happy  hour,  Ray: It's so good. It's no lon-  stead of now, and Ray lets
            about  $55,000  as  project  $400  for  an  immigration  we  were  working  our  sec-  ger: "We have to pay this."  me know vice versa.
            manager  for  a  hospital  in  lawyer.                    ond  jobs;  when  they  were  Now,  it's:  "What  should  we  Ray:  Include  your  spouse,
            the  Texas  Medical  Center.  We completely paid off this  buying new cars, we were  allocate  to?"  Should  we  and  listen  to  their  point
            Bailey's substitute teaching,  debt between August 2014  budgeting  every  dollar  to  allocate  more  to  invest-  of  view,  and  just  be  really
            paired  with  a  handful  of  and  February  2016.  Now,  throw  as  much  at  debt  as  ing,  paying  off  our  house,  honest  about  what  each
            tutoring  sessions  and  Ray's  our  only  liability  is  a  mort-  possible.          saving  for  a  car?  Now  we  person's goals are. And re-
            occasional      refereeing,  gage, which has a current  DO YOU HAVE ANY REGRETS  have  only  have  choices,  member  that  you're  in  a
            added  roughly  $5,000  in  balance  of  $299,000.  Our  FOR LIVING THIS WAY?          whereas  we  didn't  have  partnership. q
            annual  income,  although  goal  is  to  pay  that  off  by  Bailey: No regrets. We are a  any choices before.
            that figure fluctuated. Each  2030.                       very goal oriented couple,  Bailey: Honestly, it feels nat-
            month,  the  couple  threw  WHAT  WAS  YOUR  DEBT-        and  we  try  to  think  about  ural.  Knowing  that  we've
            about  $1,500  toward  their  PAYOFF STRATEGY?            where  we  want  to  be  in  overcome     our   biggest
            debt  and  paid  extra  after  Ray:  We  utilized  the  debt  five years. Knowing that we  hurdle  gives  me  so  much
            receiving  their  tax  refunds  snowball  —  we  listed  our  missed out on a few things  confidence in our future fi-
            and  selling  Ray's  car  and  debts  from  smallest  to  early  on  doesn't  compare  nancial goals. Also, it's nice
            other items.                 largest  in  value,  and  then  to  our  financial  freedom  to make a Target run every
            This aggressive payoff strat-  worked  through  them.  So  right now.                  now and then and not feel
            egy,  along  with  a  lean  for us, that meant tackling
            lifestyle,  tight  partnership  the  balance  for  the  immi-
            and  plenty  of  planning,  gration  lawyer,  then  the
            enabled the Robertsons to  personal loan, followed by
            eliminate  their  consumer  the  auto  loan  and  finally
            debt  in  18  months.  Now  student loans. The momen-
            Ray, 31, and Bailey, 29, are  tum  of  paying  off  these
            back  in  Nashville,  where  debts kept us motivated.
            they own a home and raise  DID  YOU  USE  ANY  TOOLS
            their 15-month-old son, Cal-  TO  HELP  YOU  TRACK  YOUR
            lum.                         PAYMENTS?
            Bailey and Ray, who is now  Ray:  When  we  first  started
            a  personal  finance  coach  our  journey,  I  used  an  Ex-
            in addition to working as a  cel  spreadsheet  with  tabs
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