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JC: Kind of. I don't listen to the records once they're done. I hardly ever play a record of
mine. I curated it, so I went through some of the songs and I thought, that's an interesting
song.

I forgot about that. I can't remember doing that one. There's a bit of that, Frank.

But then it all comes back and you say, oh. And then you play it for its worth, and if you

think that it's valuable for the project, you know. We've written a lot of songs, me and
Nick (Smith) , that never made the records.

You know, they're just out takes somewhere. We've never done an out take album. And
you tend to sort of forget about them. And I just kind of wanted to really try to put
something in perspective. You know, you have your purple patch. Every band has that,
that it becomes successful.
Then they've got things that

they want to do and still have
the energy to want to do
something: the thirst, the will,
all those things.

And, you know, most of the
things that were successful
were with record companies,

but most of the records were
independent. So, you know,
that little short period of time
where you had a record label
behind you, and you just
happened to write the right
song at the right time for the people that were interested in that kind of, that part of the

world at that time.

FD: And things have changed, obviously, from back in the day with the early days of JoJo
Zep and the Black Sorrows with commercial radio as well. I mean, it'd be hard for you to
get your songs played apart from community radio and the ABC, which is a difficult thing
for any artist, let alone yourself.

JC: Well, that's true. You know, I did an interview just an hour ago and the guy said to
me, 'I love this record and I love that song, ‘For Your Love’, but we can't play it because
we don't play new music, and not so much.' It's my song, but I feel really bad about bands
that are coming up, Australian bands, because we're here, but they don't have that
opportunity. And it's built on nostalgia, and I'm very disappointed about that, even though
half of this record is about nostalgia. And once you have hits, you have nostalgia. And so,

you know, it's a funny line to play, but we're in trouble here. But the opportunities and
the quality of music are very strong.

We should be celebrating that a lot more instead of looking at things from the past, not
just best ofs, but just, you know, the big acts now are cover bands, you know, and the
roadmap is already there. It's been tried and proven, you know, so you've got, you know,
I'm not complaining that they exist. It's just a shame that new music is not getting what