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NYSAPLS, Inc.
President and CEO
Roy B. Garfinkel, LS [ president’s message ]
Executive Board
Jeremy E. Thompson, LS
Executive Vice President Vermont – New York – Survey Stuff
Steven J. Willard, LS
Vice President Last weekend I hopped in the truck and made my way to
Scott A. Gillis, LS, Treasurer Killington Vermont for the Vermont Society of Land Surveyors
Scott B. Allen, LS, Secretary conference at the beautiful Killington Grand Resort Hotel. I was
Daniel E. Marvin, LS
Executive Director lucky enough to drive up on a 70-degree sunny day with all the
trees lit up with glorious colors. The conference is a one-day
Board of Trustees
Robert R. Allen, LS affair with everyone in the same room for a few different
J. Steven Boddecker, LS seminars. There were about 90 people attending, which is about three quarters of their
Patricia P. Brooks, LS membership. They were great hosts, and it is always interesting to learn about the different
Gregory J. de Bruin, LS, PE
John R. Ennis, LS requirements and codes of practice that other States observe.
R. Ronald Kreiling, LS
Joseph G. Malinowski, LS I had known from my work with the ad hoc Minimum Technical Standard committee and
Daniel E. Marvin, LS from prior conversations with folks that practice in Vermont that setting property corners
Daren L. Morgan, LS when performing a boundary survey in Vermont is mandatory. What I was not aware of is
Robert A. Smith, LS
Edwin A. Summerhays, LS that a survey is not required when conveying property. In my mind that always scares me
Gary L. Thompson, LS when I hear that, and it brings up a lot of questions about what a buyer deserves when
Glennon J. Watson, LS
Marie T. Welch, LS purchasing a property. On the other hand, as it was pointed out to me, it takes the interests
of others such as attorneys, lenders and such out of a survey when it is performed. Surveys
NYSAPLS Headquarters will often subsequently be ordered by the new owner as they wish to verify and see their
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Land Surveyors Building property on the ground. Apparently, the surveyors are fairly compensated for their boundary
Albany, NY 12210 work and do not feel the pressures and control from others. And apparently, Vermont
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www.nysapls.org surveyors are quite busy despite not performing conveyance surveys.
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Although I only spoke with a few surveyors regarding this subject, it definitely got me
Editor-in-Chief & thinking about conveyance surveys in New York, and how we vary across the State with
Managing Director
Amber Carpenter requirements. In some parts of the State buyers pay for a conveyance survey and in other
amber@nysapls.org parts, the seller. That alone is like night and day for obvious reasons of motivation for a
Director of Operations thorough survey. Then mix in other title, lender and local differences in requirements and
Heather Schultz customs, no wonder our practice varies so much around the State, with all these differing
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outside influences affecting what we as professionals should be deciding is a proper survey
Administrative Assistant involving boundary.
Sharon O'Brien
sharon@nysapls.org Now, you already know where I stand on a buyer deserving a quality thorough survey, and
that I firmly believe that a boundary survey needs to be marked out upon the ground and
Affiliated Associations made retraceable, but the part about separation of other parties’ interests in the survey does
Allegheny Plateau Association of Profes-
sional Land Surveyors | Black River Valley seem appealing and in the best interest of the person receiving the survey. I guess I would
Association of Professional Land Surveyors like to have it both ways, surveys stay required for conveyances, as that makes sense to me
| Catskill Area Association of Land Sur-
veyors | Central New York Society of Land as being the best time to accurately define the parcels boundary, encumbrances and
Surveyors | City Surveyors Association improvements. And we find a way to guarantee that the interests of others (non-surveyors)
of Greater New York | Delaware-Hudson
Land Surveyors Association, Inc | Eastern did not interfere with the quality, integrity and value of the survey that the public deserves.
New York Society of Land Surveyors, Inc | WAIT… what if there were regulated Standards of Practice for Land Surveying in New York?
Genesee Valley Land Surveyors Association
| Long Island Association of Land Surveyors Yeah… that’s the ticket!
Inc | Mid-Hudson Valley Association of
Land Surveyors | Mohawk Valley Society of
Professional Land Surveyors | Nassau-Suffolk
Civil Engineers Inc | Niagara Frontier Land
Surveyors Association | Northern New York Roy B. Garfinkel, LS
Association of Land Surveyors | Southern NYSAPLS President
Finger Lakes Association of Professional
Land Surveyors | Southern Tier Association
of Land Surveyors | Surveyors Association
of Queensboro Inc | Westchester-Putnam
Association of Professional Land Surveyors
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