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                  Tuesday 19 January 2021
            Extremists exploit a loophole in social moderation: Podcasts



            By TALI ARBEL                                                                                                       as  a  longtime  QAnon  fol-
            AP Technology Writer                                                                                                lower and said in a recent
            Major    social   platforms                                                                                         episode  that  her  podcast
            have been cracking down                                                                                             is  “just  my  way  of  not  be-
            on  the  spread  of  misinfor-                                                                                      ing  censored.”  She  said
            mation  and  conspiracy                                                                                             she  was  kicked  off  Twit-
            theories  in  the  leadup  to                                                                                       ter in January and booted
            the  presidential  election,                                                                                        from  Instagram  four  times
            and  expanded  their  ef-                                                                                           last year. She currently has
            forts in the wake of the Jan.                                                                                       Instagram,  Facebook  and
            6  Capitol  riot.  But  Apple                                                                                       YouTube    accounts;   her
            and  Google,  among  oth-                                                                                           podcast is available on Ap-
            ers, have left open a major                                                                                         ple and Google. Spotify re-
            loophole  for  this  material:                                                                                      moved the podcast Friday
            Podcasts.                                                                                                           after  The  Associated  Press
            Podcasts  made  available    This combination of photos shows various podcasts, Friday, Jan. 15, 2021.              inquired about it.
            by  the  two  Big  Tech  com-                                                                      Associated Press   X22  Report,  RedPill78  and
            panies let you tune into the  like   QAnon   adherents,   should not be treated any  podcasts  on  Friday.  (Ex-    Hayes  did  not  respond  to
            world  of  the  QAnon  con-  support  Trump.  Podcast-    differently  than  any  other  perts say that list measures  requests for comment sent
            spiracy  theory,  wallow  in  ing’s  an  intimate,  human-  content,”  Segal  said.  “If  a  podcast’s  momentum  via their websites. Torres did
            President  Donald  Trump’s  izing  mode  of  communi-     you’re  going  to  take  a  rather  than  total  listeners.)  not  reply  to  a  Facebook
            false  claims  of  a  stolen  cation  that  lets  extremists   strong stance against hate  X22  Report  said  in  Octo-  message.
            election and bask in other  expound on their ideas for    and extremism in the plat-   ber  that  it  was  suspended  Podcasts  suffer  from  the
            extremism.  Accounts  that  hours at a time, said Oren    form  in  any  way,  it  should  by  YouTube  and  Spotify  same  misinformation  prob-
            have been banned on so-      Segal  of  ADL’s  Center  on   be    all-inclusive.”Apple,  and  last  week  by  Twitter.  lem  as  other  platforms,
            cial media for election mis-  Extremism.                  Spotify and Google curate  It’s  no  longer  available  on  said  Shane  Creevy,  head
            information,   threatening  Elsewhere  on  social  me-    lists  of  top  podcasts  and  Facebook,  either.  It  is  sup-  of  editorial  for  Kinzen,  a
            or  bullying,  and  breaking  dia, Twitter,Facebook  and   recommend  them  to  us-    ported by ads for products  startup  created  by  former
            other  rules  also  still  live  on  YouTube have been crack-  ers.  Apple  and  Spotify  are  such as survivalist food, un-  Facebook  and  Twitter  ex-
            as  podcasts  available  on  ing down on accounts am-     the dominant players in the  licensed food supplements  ecutives that offers a disin-
            the tech giants’ platforms.  plifying unfounded QAnon     U.S.,  with  other  players  far  and  gold  coins,  which  run  formation  tracker  to  com-
            Conspiracy  theorists  have  claims  that  Trump  is  fight-  behind, said Dave Zohrob,  before and during the pod-  panies, including some that
            peddled     stolen-election  ing  deep  state  enemies    CEO  of  the  podcast  ana-  casts.                       host or curate podcasts.
            fantasies, coronavirus con-  and cannibals operating a    lytics  firm  Chartable.  De-  Several QAnon proponents  Creevy  points  out  that  it’s
            spiracies and violent rheto-  child-sex  trafficking  ring.  A   spite  its  name  recognition,  affected  by  the  crack-  harder  to  analyze  misin-
            ric.  One  podcaster,  Red-  major talk radio company,    Google remains a tiny pres-  down sued YouTube in Oc-     formation  from  video  and
            Pill78,  called  the  Capitol  Cumulus,  told  its  hosts  to   ence.                  tober,  calling  its  actions  a  audio than from text. Pod-
            siege a “staged event” in a  tone  down  rhetoric  about   Spotify  said  it  takes  down  “massive  de-platforming.”  casts can also run for hours,
            Jan. 11 episode of Red Pill  stolen elections and violent   podcasts   that   violate  Among  the  plaintiffs  are  making  them  difficult  to
            News.  The  day  before  the  uprisings or risk termination,   its  policies  against  hate  X22  Report,  RedPill78  and  monitor.  And  podcasting
            Capitol riot, a more popu-   although it’s not clear what   speech,  copyright  viola-  David Hayes, who runs an-   has  additional  challenges
            lar  podcast,  X22  Report,  impact  that  dictate  has   tions  or  break  any  laws,  other  conspiracy  podcast  in  that  there  are  no  reli-
            spoke  confidently  about  had.                           using “algorithmic and hu-   called Praying Medic that’s  able  statistics  on  their  au-
            a  Trump  second  term,  ex-  Google-owned     YouTube    man  detection  measures”  available  on  Apple  and  dience,  unlike  a  YouTube
            plained  that  Trump  would  axed     “Bannon’s    War    to  identify  violations.  Ap-  Google, but not Spotify.  stream, which shows views,
            need  to  “remove”  many  Room,”  a  channel  run  by     ple’s  guidelines  prohibit  Melody  Torres,  who  pod-   or  a  tweet  or  Facebook
            members  of  Congress  to  Trump loyalist Steve Bannon    content  that  is  illegal  or  casts  at  SoulWarrior  Un-  post, which shows likes and
            further  his  plans,  and  said  on  Jan.  8  after  he  spread   promotes  violence,  graph-  censored,   self-identifies  shares, Creevy said.q
            “We  the  people,  we  are  false  election  claims  and   ic sex or drugs or is “other-
            the storm, and we’re com-    called  for  the  beheading   wise  considered  obscene,                                          By Dave Green
            ing to DC.”                  of  Dr.  Anthony  Fauci,  the   objectionable,  or  in  poor
            Both  are  available  on  Ap-  top  U.S.  infectious-disease   taste.”  Apple  did  not  re-   7                                 5
            ple  and  Google  podcast  expert.  But  podcast  ver-    ply  to  repeated  questions
            platforms.                   sions of Bannon’s show live   about  its  content  guide-    5                9          7                2
            Podcasting “plays a partic-  on  at  Apple  and  Google.   lines or moderation.
            ularly outsized role” in prop-  Spotify took it down in No-  Google  declined  to  ex-
            agating  white  supremacy,  vember, according to one      plain  the  discrepancy  be-                     8          1
            said a 2018 report from the  of its hosts.                tween what’s available on
            Anti-Defamation  League.  “Podcasts filled with hatred    YouTube  and  what’s  on             4 1              8           2 7
            Many  white  supremacists,  and incitement to violence    Google  Podcasts,  saying
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