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A30    PEOPLE & ARTS
                   Thursday 22 June 2017
                                                                      Q&A: Coppola and Kidman on


                                                                      female gaze of ‘The Beguiled’



                                                                      By LINDSEY BAHR              definitely  some  change  that’s  a  big  commitment,
                                                                       AP Film Writer              happening.  Is  it  enough?  isn’t  it?  ...  At  one  point,  I
                                                                      LOS ANGELES (AP) — The in-   No. But you know we’re all  think  I  was  pregnant  with
                                                                      tersection of Sofia Coppola  doing  what  we  can,  and  Sunday, and I was like, “I’m
                                                                      and  Nicole  Kidman  didn’t  we’re  fortunate  to  have  going  to  give  up  acting,
                                                                      start with “The Beguiled.”   the opportunities.           I’m  done.  It’s  too  much.
                                                                      They’d  met  at  parties  in  AP:  Miss  Martha’s  sponge  And  the  baby  and  that’s
                                                                      passing and had even tried  bath of Colin Farrell’s char-  it.” And my mom was like,
                                                                      to  work  together  once  on  acter  could  have  easily  “Don’t do that. Take some
            In this June 13, 2017 photo, Sofia Coppola, left, writer/director of   a  project  that  fell  apart.  taken a different tone with  time  off  but  don’t  give  it
            “The Beguiled,” and cast member Nicole Kidman pose together   Coppola  loved  Kidman’s  a different director.       up.”  She  said,  “Keep  your
            for a portrait at the Four Seasons Hotel in Los Angeles.  wicked humor and Kidman  KIDMAN:  I  love  how  de-       toe in the water” because
                                                                      loved Coppola’s cinematic  mure  it  is.  Well,  it’s  like  it  she  said,  “You’re  going  to
                                                                      style and vision. So Kidman  could  have  been  much  want  that  as  you  get  old-
                                                                      didn’t  hesitate  to  say  yes  more. I just like how it’s very  er.” And it’s also healthy, if
                                                                      when  Coppola  asked  her  real.                          you  have  a  creative  spirit
                                                                      to play the part of Miss Mar-  COPPOLA:  It  could  have  and  you’re  artistic,  there
                                                                      tha,  the  headmistress  of  a  gotten really over the top.  does  have  to  be  a  place
                                                                      girls’ school in the Civil War-  But  I  love  that  we  really  for that.
                                                                      era  South  that’s  thrown  focus  in  on  you  taking  in  COPPOLA: That’s true, if not
                                                                      into disarray when they de-  his  body.  She  hasn’t  been  it doesn’t get expressed...
                                                                      cide to take in a wounded  around a man in so long. I  KIDMAN: It can manifest in
                                                                      Union soldier, in her retelling  think I was the most embar-  different ways.
                                                                      of “The Beguiled.”           rassed shooting that scene.  AP: There seems to be sym-
                                                                      In fact, the two share more  I’m sitting off camera and I  metry  between  this  film
                                                                      than  might  meet  the  eye  was like, “Nicole, now can  and “Big Little Lies.”
                                                                      — both are married to tour-  you wash his inner thigh?”   COPPOLA: When I saw the
                                                                      ing  musicians,  both  have  KIDMAN:  And  I’m  staying  ending  of  “Big  Little  Lies”  I
                                                                      daughters    around    the  completely  in  character.  thought  there  was  a  simi-
                                                                      same  age  and  both  have  Colin is out, but not really.  lar solidarity ... I think that is
                                                                      been having an incredible  COPPOLA:  And  I’m  like  sweet how the women pro-
                                                                      year professionally. Coppo-  turning  red  like  asking  her  tect each other. And I think
                                                                      la became the first woman  to wash his inner thigh and  that  is  something  about
                                                                      in  56  years  to  win  best  di-  all  my  gay  guy  friends  are  women. Don’t you find that
                                                                      rector  at  the  Cannes  Film  like,  “Couldn’t  you  have  with your friends?
                                                                      Festival, and Kidman is en-  just moved that cloth over  KIDMAN:  Definitely.  They
                                                                      joying widespread praise of  there?  We  wanted  to  see  always say there’s a men’s
                                                                      both her film and television  more!”  It  was  funny,  but  club  but  there  is  definitely
                                                                      work.                        you were all business.       a  woman’s  club  in  terms
                                                                      The  two  women  gathered  AP: Sofia, why did you walk  of the secrets that are held
                                                                      recently  in  Los  Angeles  to  away  from  directing  “The  and  the  way  in  which  we
                                                                      discuss their film, out Friday,  Little Mermaid”?         interact.  Particularly  when
                                                                      the awkwardness of direct-   COPPOLA: I just didn’t feel  you  get  older,  I  think  your
                                                                      ing a sponge bath, and the  like I could do it exactly as  female  friends  become
                                                                      reinvigorated  support  of  I wanted. It’s a big budget  more and more — I mean,
                                                                      women in Hollywood.          so  it  becomes  a  lot  about  obviously we live longer!
                                                                      The remarks have been ed-    business.                    AP: Do you feel like there’s
                                                                      ited for clarity and brevity.  KIDMAN: I want to see you  a  culture-wide  re-evalua-
                                                                      AP:  Is  it  a  good  time  for  do that though.          tion and newfound appre-
                                                                      woman in Hollywood?          COPPOLA:  I  wish  I  could  ciation  of  women  like  you
                                                                      COPPOLA: I think right now  have  done  that  one.  But  who  have  been  doing  in-
                                                                      I  feel  like  there’s  a  lot  of  I  decided  to  do  a  proj-  credible work in Hollywood
                                                                      talk about it with “Wonder  ect that was smaller, that I  for years?
                                                                      Woman”  being  a  big  suc-  could  really  have  creative  KIDMAN:  I  feel  a  warmth.
                                                                      cess,  that’s  really  exciting,  control  over  every  aspect  I  don’t  know  if  that’s  the
                                                                      and with our movie getting  ... Does that make sense?     time we’re in or a need for
                                                                      attention  —  it’s  a  female  KIDMAN: Absolutely.        it, but there’s definitely, in-
                                                                      cast, a female story.        AP: Have you ever walked  stead of tearing you down
                                                                      KIDMAN: And that it’s seen  away  from  something,  Ni-   there’s  more  encourage-
                                                                      from  the  female  perspec-  cole?                        ment  and  support.  I  don’t
                                                                      tive.  I  mean,  this  is  very  KIDMAN:  Many  times.  But  know if that’s real or if I’m
                                                                      much from the vision of Sof,  for  an  array  of  reasons.  just sensing it, but it’s a love-
                                                                      so  that  you  see  the  film  in  Sometimes  it’s  because  of  ly thing to be a recipient of
                                                                      terms how the women view  family ... There are so many  and to be able to offer it as
                                                                      it  —  the  female  gaze  and  life issues that come into it  well.
                                                                      not some ... It is important.  when  you’re  working.  We  COPPOLA:  There’s  more
                                                                      There’s  a  shift  and  there’s  both  have  children  and  openness to our stories.q
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