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           relate to your guru as a Buddha, you get the blessings   with any degree of confidence that our guru is not in fact
           of a Buddha. If you relate to your guru as somebody   the Buddha. This means that it is not just a question of
           ordinary, you will get the blessings of an ordinary being.   training our mind in seeing our guru as an enlightened
           That’s what the Tibetan masters say. And they say that if   being; maybe s/he actually is the Buddha himself.
           you relate to your guru as an ordinary being, then even
                                                              Can you share what are the qualities that a student
           if in fact s/he were the Buddha himself, there would not
                                                              should look for in one’s search for an authentic Guru?
           be that much benefit.


           In Tibet the tradition of Buddhism that was followed   For this I strongly recommend to you two wonderful
           was not just Mahāyāna. Within Mahāyāna it was      classical sources by two fairly recent great masters.
           Vajrayāna, in which there is the same emphasis on   First, there is a book by Geshe Lhundup Sopa, who was
           seeing your guru as an enlightened being. Yet it is   one of my own teachers, called “Steps on the Path to
           in the Vajrayāna that you have the idea that a good   Enlightenment: Volume 1”, which talks about the ten
           relationship with your guru is the life of the path, and   qualities of a Mahāyāna Guru that Maitreya taught. His
           in Panchen Chökyi Gyaltsen’s Guru Puja he states that   series of books comment on the Great Stages of the Path
           making offerings to the guru you create far more merit   to Enlightenment teachings of Lama Tsong Khapa, the
           than offering to all the enlightened beings of the past,   founder of the Gelugpa tradition of Tibetan Buddhism.
           present, and future. So I think it is mainly because of   And to Part 1 of Pabongka Rinpoche’s “Liberation in
           the source of the great Tibetan traditions in such great   Our Hands”, which also explains those and much more.
           Indian masters as Saraha, Nagarjuna, Naropa, Maitripa,   These are really good sources. They are fantastic.
           Padmasambhava, Jowo Atisha, and others.
                                                              Masters subsequent to Maitreya recognized that it is
           It is common to hear of Buddhists taking refuge in   quite difficult to find someone with all ten qualities, and
           the Three Jewels. But Tibetan Buddhists also take   singled out a set of five key qualities among those ten.
           refuge in the guru. Is the guru equated with that of   Pabongka Rinpoche goes on to speak of three qualities
           Śakyamuni Buddha?                                  that are the very minimum: to have more qualities than
                                                              faults, to emphasize future lives over this one, and to
           That’s true, and you can see from my answers above   care more for others than him or herself.
           that in some real sense the guru is indeed seen as
           Buddha Śakyamuni, simply in the guise of an ordinary   I want to mention here that there is some very practical
           being. Did you know that when the British first came   advice, very relevant to these questions, to be found in
           across what we have come to think of as Tibetan    the teaching on the Four Reliances. Particularly relevant
           Buddhism, they had no idea that it was Buddhism, even,   here are the first two: 1) don’t rely on the person, rely
           and referred to it as Lamaism! Clearly the guru is very   on the dharma, which means don’t get carried away by
           central for Tibetan Buddhists. Though it is perhaps   the person’s fancy name and titles, the fact that they
           more precise and to the point if we say it is a huge thing   teach from a high throne in splendid robes. You may
           in the Nalanda tradition. That is to say, it is a Tibetan   think that having the title Geshe or Lama guarantees
           tradition derived from the earlier Indian traditions. Just   all the spiritual qualities and knowledge that are
           like in all the various traditions of Buddhism, in Tibetan   needed. I’m afraid this is just not so. What is important
           Buddhism we only have three jewels of refuge. All   is what they teach. 2) Don’t rely on the words, rely on
           objects of refuge are included in those three.     the meaning. This means that flowery language and
                                                              impressive jargon and so forth are not the point. The
           One very important point is that Vajradhara---the form   real point is the substance of what they say. You may
           taken by Buddha Śakyamuni to teach the Vajrayāna ---  really enjoy listening to someone who seems to have a
           said that in the future he would appear again in the world   bit of charisma, tells lots of funny jokes, but if you ask
           in the form of spiritual masters. Thus, we cannot say   yourself at the end of the talk what you got out of it that
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