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           achieve.  In Soto Zen we use fewer   How would you advice someone   Many people want to learn
           and simpler methods. What a relief   who is new to Zen Buddhism on   meditation because they are
           to sit down for a while where we   how or what to meditate on a     too stressed with work or
           don’t have to fix or judge, or wait   daily basis?                  depressed with life, and hope
           for something else to happen. We                                    that they can relax by meditating.
           practice offering our whole selves   I suggest finding a community   Is meditation appropriate for
           to the world without trying to get,   of practice and a teacher. Look   them, or they should rather see a
           gain, or control anything. Having   for local communities or, if none   psychotherapist instead?
           said that we often also incorporate   are available, for online options.
           mindfulness and loving kindness   Find people to practice with and   Why not both? That’s what I’ve done,
           meditations into our practice, and   a teacher who seems to embody   and it’s what we often recommend
           study many other methods for      things you value. Get support for   at our Zen center. I understand the
           promoting well-being. Sakyamuni   daily practice from people you are   basic message of Buddhism and the
           founded the lineage we have vowed   in relationship with.           four noble truths to be: there is is
           to embody and we honor him and                                      suffering in the world, and you can
           countless others over the years who   You teach mindfulness         do something about it. I recommend
           have something to teach us.       meditation to corporate leaders   people keep looking for every
                                             and the police. How different     healthy way they can find to promote
           Zen Buddhism is obviously not     would that be to teaching         well-being.
           only about meditation as it has   meditation to a group of Dharma
           vast literature and also many     practitioners in a retreat or to   As a long time meditator, what
           rituals. So do you regard Zen     monastics in a monastery?         effects do you see in your daily
           as a religion like Theravada or                                     life after practicing meditation?
           Tibetan Buddhism?                 With government agencies or a

                                             corporate setting, I have to be clear   I am far more relaxed and happy
           When I came to Buddhism I was     that what I am teaching comes     in general. I do a lot fewer things
           kind of anti-religious and liked   from a religious tradition, but what   that I regret. I have a much richer
           to say that Zen is a practice, not   I am teaching is not inherently   array of beautiful relationships
           a religion. However, these days I   religious. I uphold the wisdom of   with a diverse group of people. I’m
           look at the rituals we do, the texts   the Buddha’s Kalama sutra: that it’s   way less harsh to myself when I
           we study, the meditation we offer,   easy to see the value of mindfulness   make mistakes and it’s a lot easier
           and I have to admit it looks pretty   practice and ethical conduct in our   for me to apologize and repair the
           religious!  I started thinking of   immediate experience and common   harms I’ve done. I feel the cool of
           Zen as a religion more because I   values. I help folks be aware of the   the floor on my feet more, and enjoy
           saw that it helped me to support   power of being mindful of bodily   the feeling of the rice on my palm
           marginalized groups doing work    sensations,  emotions, and the    as I sort it before I add the water
           to dismantle harmful systems like   people around us without judging   for cooking.  I really know the taste
           racism, economic exploitation,    or trying to control them. These   of tea. I have way more energy for
           patriarchy, and climate change.   are all things I do in a temple or   supporting folks in my community
           When I show up to support folks   monastery, but in those settings   who are suffering. Caring for
           as a religious leader, it sends a   I can also use shared, embodied   suffering seems like more of a joy
           powerful message. It also helps   rituals and much more complex     than a burden these days.
           me to develop relationships and   and challenging teachings from the
           solidarity with people of other   Buddhist literature to help us get   Religion seems distant to many
           religions.                        more free.                        people today, especially the
                                                                               youths. How you do engage young
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