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            For grateful NBC, Savannah Guthrie changes the subject




            By DAVID BAUDER                                                                                                     It requires enormous home-
            AP Media Writer                                                                                                     work,  both  to  know  the
            NEW  YORK  (AP)  —  Savan-                                                                                          facts  and  anticipate  how
            nah Guthrie did more than                                                                                           Trump  will  respond,  he
            just  display  her  journalistic                                                                                    said. Even then, it's possible
            chops  at  NBC  News'  town                                                                                         to become so absorbed in
            hall  with  President  Donald                                                                                       fact-checking  that  it  dis-
            Trump.  She  changed  the                                                                                           rupts the flow of conversa-
            subject for her bosses.                                                                                             tion, he said.
            NBC  was  reeling  heading                                                                                          When Guthrie asked Trump
            into  Thursday's  event,  un-                                                                                       about  his  personal  financ-
            der widespread criticism for                                                                                        es and taxes, the president
            scheduling  it  at  the  same                                                                                       tried  to  cut  off  the  con-
            time as ABC's town hall with                                                                                        versation  by  saying  what
            Democratic opponent Joe                                                                                             he has since 2016, that he
            Biden. NBC was accused of                                                                                           couldn't  talk  about  it  be-
            rewarding Trump for reject-                                                                                         cause he was under audit.
            ing  the  debate  commis-                                                                                           Guthrie  said  there  was  no
            sion's  plan  to  do  the  sec-                                                                                     law that prevented some-
            ond debate virtually.                                                                                               one  being  audited  from
            That  was  quickly  forgotten                                                                                       discussing  his  taxes,  and
            when the president sat op-                                                                                          pressed  on:  "Who  do  you
            posite  Guthrie,  who  ques-                                                                                        owe  $421  million  to?"  she
            tioned  him  specifically  on   Moderator Savannah Guthrie speaks during an NBC News Town Hall with President Donald Trump   asked.
            when he last tested positive   at Perez Art Museum Miami, Thursday, Oct. 15, 2020, in Miami.       Associated Press  She  jumped  in  when,  dur-
            for  COVID-19  (he  said  he                                                                                        ing  a  discussion  about
            didn't remember), whether  ject  from  filibustering.  That  body's  crazy  uncle  who  don't know that?"           White House events where
            he had pneumonia (didn't  background  also  teaches  can just retweet anything."       Trump is "hands down" the    masks  were  not  worn,  the
            say)  and  his  personal  fi-  how  to  crystallize  what  an  Similarly, Guthrie described  most  difficult  public  fig-  president  mentioned  how
            nances.                      audience  is  thinking  in  a  the theory promoted online  ure to interview, said Axios   he was touched by people
            The    Georgetown      Law  plain-spoken  way,  as  evi-  by QAnon that Democrats  reporter  Jonathan  Swan,        at a reception for relatives
            School    graduate     had  denced  in  her  most-quot-   are  running  a  satanic  pe-  who  with  Fox  News'  Chris   of  military  members  killed
            clearly  done  her  home-    ed moment.                   dophile ring and that Trump  Wallace  and  now  Guthrie   in service. She took an un-
            work,  seemingly  prepared  She was incredulous when,  was  the  savior  meant  to  have  received  the  most       usual  amount  of  time  for
            for  each  response.  When  after asking why Trump had  stop them, and asked why  praise  of  any  TV  journalists   head-to-head    question-
            the president recited a sta-  retweeted  a  false  conspir-  he  didn't  denounce  it.  to take him on this election   ing,  given  that  the  format
            tistic  from  a  study  on  the  acy  theory  that  American  Trump  said  he  knew  noth-  cycle.                  called  for  questions  from
            effectiveness  of  masks  in  special  forces  didn't  really  ing about it.           "The biggest challenge with   the audience to dominate
            spreading COVID-19, Guth-    kill  Osama  bin  Laden,  he  "I just told you," she said.  President  Trump  is  that  it's   the event. She followed up
            rie  had  read  it,  too,  and  said that he "just put it out  Just  because  she  says  never  a  linear  conversa-  audience  questions,  too:
            countered him.               there" to let people decide  something  doesn't  mean  tion," Swan said. "It's like rid-  When Trump talked about
            As host of the "Today" show,  for themselves.             it's  true,  the  president  re-  ing  a  bronco.  The  crafting   health care and maintain-
            Guthrie  knows  the  impor-  "I  don't  get  that,"  Guthrie  torted.                  of the questions doesn't re-  ing  protection  for  preex-
            tance  of  time  and  how  said. "You're the president.  "There's  not  a  satanic  pe-  ally matter because he re-  isting  conditions,  Guthrie
            to  stop  an  interview  sub-  You're not like you're some-  dophile cult," she said. "You  sponds to topics."      pointed out that his admin-
                                                                                                                                istration was trying in court
              New book will include final thoughts from Justice Ginsburg                                                        to eliminate that.
                                                                                                                                One  look  online  provided
                                                                                                                                an  illustration  of  Guthrie's
                                                                      preme  Court  Justice  Ruth  "Over the spring and sum-    effectiveness.  Words  like
                                                                      Bader Ginsburg and some  mer of this year, as Justice     "condescending,"     "bad-
                                                                      previously unreleased ma-   Ginsburg and I assembled      gering,"   "argumentative"
                                                                      terials  have  been  gath-  this book, I had the special   and  "bully"  were  used  on
                                                                      ered by one of her former  privilege of working close-    social media by supporters
                                                                      clerks  and  will  appear  ly  with  her  one  last  time,"   of  the  president.  Memes
                                                                      in  a  book  coming  out  in  said  Tyler,  now  a  profes-  popped  up  with  Guthrie's
                                                                      March.                      sor of law at the University   face made to seem like a
                                                                      The  University  of  Cali-  of  California,  Berkeley,  in   vampire or devil.q
                                                                      fornia  Press  announced  a  statement.  "As  we  ex-
                                                                      Thursday  that  it  will  pub-  changed drafts of various   Solution Sudoku
                                                                      lish  "Justice,  Justice  Thou  parts of this book, the Jus-
                                                                      Shalt Pursue: A Life's Work  tice was every bit as rigor-
                                                                      Fighting for a More Perfect  ous  an  editor  as  she  had
                                                                      Union," on which Ginsburg  been  20  years  ago  when
              Members  of  the  Philadelphia  National  Council  of  Jewish   worked  in  collaboration  I clerked for her. Right up
              Women gather in prayer to honor the late Justice Ruth Bader
              Ginsburg  at  the  Constitution  Center  in  Philadelphia,  Friday,   with  Amanda  Tyler.  The  until the end, she was still
              Oct. 2, 2020.                                           book  was  in  production  teaching  me  about  the
                                                     Associated Press  at the time Ginsburg died,  craft  of  writing,  how  im-
                                                                      on Sept. 18 at age 87, and  portant  precision  is,  and
              By HILLEL ITALIE            NEW  YORK  (AP)  —  Some  was  originally  scheduled  to  never  use  four  words
              AP National Writer          final  thoughts  from  Su-  for next fall.              when three will do."q
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