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NATIONAL SECURITY COUNCIL
                                                     WASHINGTON, O.C. 20506

                         CONFIDENT! ATT

                         MEMORANDUM OF CONVERSATION


                         DATE:                       Monday, March 7, 1977

                         PLACE:                      Organization of American States
                                                     Washington, D. C.

                         PARTICIPANTS:               Secretary General Alejandro Orfila
                                                      L. Ronald Scheman, Sub-Secretary for
                                                             Management
                                                     John Ford, Special Assistant to the
                                                             Secretary General
                                                      Robert A. Pastor, NSC Staff



                         U.S. Policy on Human Rights

                         Secretary General Orfila told me that he had recently returned from a
                         trip to the Southern Cone countries of Argentina, Uruguay and Paraguay,
                         and he explained to them that they were dealing with a new kind of
                         Administration in Washington. He told them that the Carter Administration
                         would unquestionably demonstrate a concern for human rights that was
                         not evident in the previous Republican Administrations. And Orfila
                         warned them that they had better be prepared for this change. All
                         three governments were rather slow to adjust, but they have come to
                         understand its importance.

                         Uruguay, however, does not quite understand why the U.S. currently
                         attacks it for human rights violations while several years ago it encouraged
                         the Uruguayans to suppress all forms of subversion. They are parti­
                         cularly confused because the human rights situation in their country has
                         definitely improved in the last year.

                         In Argentina, there is a fascinating debate between the moderates and
                         the hard-liners, and the question which Orfila feels we should address
                         is: how can we strengthen the hands of the moderates? not, how do
                         we drive the Argentine Government to the wall? He believes that we
                         should be careful not to put the government on the defensive least we
                         strengthen the hard-liners . The result would be even worse violations
                         of human rights .


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