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                                              NATIONAL SECURITY COUNCIL
                                                  WASHINGTON, D.C. 20506
                     'CONFIDENTIAL'


                     MEMORANDUM OF CONVERSATION

                     DATE:                        Monday, March 7, 1977


                     PLACE:                       Organization of American States
                                                  Washington, D. C.


                     PARTICIPANTS:                Secretary General Alejandro Orfila
                                                  L. Ronald Scheman, Sub-Secretary for
                                                         Management
                                                  John Ford, Special Assistant to the
                                                         Secretary General
                                                  Robert A. Pastor, ^NSC Staff




                     U .S, Policy on Human Rights

                     Secretary General Orfila told me that he had recently returned from a
                     trip to tli- Southern Cone countries of Argentina, Uruguay and Paraguay,
                     and he explained to them that they were dealing with a new kind of
                     Administration in Washington. He told them that the Carter Administration
                     would unquestionably demonstrate a concern for human rights that was
                     not evident in the previous Republican Administrations. And Orfila
                     warned them that they had better be prepared for this change. All
                     three governments were rather slaw to adjust, but they have come to
                     understand its importance.

                     Uruguay, however, does not quite understand why the U.S . currently
                     attacks it for human rights violations while several years ago it encouraged
                     the Uruguayans to suppress all forms of subversion. They are parti­
                     cularly confused because the human rights situation in their country has
                     definitely improved in the last year.                 *■

                     In Argentina, there is a fascinating debate between the moderates and
                     the hard-liners, and the question which Orfila feels we should address
                     is: how can we strengthen the hands of the moderates? not, how do
                     we drive the Argentine Government to the wall? He believes that we
                     should be careful not to put.the government on the defensive least we
                     strengthen the hard-liners . The result would be even worse violations
                     of human rights .



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