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 deceased. But it was underwater   one of the biggest challenges   that space. So I tend to be a very
 for probably a good three or   as a photographer is getting the   calm person in the water.  And I
 four months before I gave up the   model to the point where she is   have the ability to kind of make
 ghost.  It was just a trooper. It   relaxed in front of the camera. And   people feel the same way.  And as
 disintegrated because the glue   that’s on land! How do you do it   a photographer that works with
 between the wood actually kind of   underwater, so she doesn’t look   inexperienced models a lot, that’s
 just disappeared in the water, so it   horribly uncomfortable or, like she’s   the greatest gift, I have is to be
 actually started to fall apart so…  drowning and scared for her life?  able to get them to the same place.
 I could build these amazing sets,
 JW  Brett S  I could light them, and they could
 I don’t know, I could be wrong, but   So, one of the biggest tips, as a   look incredible. But if the model
 I don’t think it was designed for   photographer, is working with   looks uncomfortable and stiff, it’s all
 underwater.  I’m just guessing.  people who are comfortable   for nothing.
 under the water. Milynn is a great
 Brett S  underwater model. And so are a   JW
 You’re right about that.  lot of the people that I work with,   So, people skills are a huge part
 but not the majority of people that   of this. Getting models to be
 Pat P  I work with. The majority of people   relaxed underwater, if they’re not
 I am amazed at your lighting.   are just regular everyday people,   underwater models, is actually
 Some of your images have curtains   some of them can’t swim, and some   quite an accomplishment.
 with light coming through which   of them even have a fear of water.
 flows through the model’s fabric.   For me as the photographer, I have   Brett S
 The room has a chandelier,   the duty of getting them to that   Thanks. I think if anyone’s watching
 a candelabra and there is a   place where they look the best.    this and they want to be an
 wainscotting on the walls.  This   underwater photographer and do
 looks really well thought out. How   And if you look a lot of my images,   this sort of stuff, that’s the sort of
 did you figure out how to put all   the expression that their body is   thing you need. You need to be
 these pieces together?  giving off, the body language. It’s   a person who can communicate
 this idea of relaxation. It’s an idea of   well, who doesn’t get stressed
 Brett S  peace. It’s an idea of the ethereal.    under pressure.  Or if you do get
 To be honest, it’s just trial and   The state that I’m trying to get my   stressed, you don’t outwardly show
 error, I don’t tend to sleep very   model to is akin to the feeling of   it.  Someone who can support the
 well.  So a lot of my awake time   just about to fall asleep.  The idea   people they’re working with. If
 is thinking about stupid stuff like   is that you’re so comfortable, and   they think you’re trying to get them
 this.  So for me, it was just a lot of   you’re so relaxed, and you’re so   out of their comfort zone too far
 like, you know, look on Amazon,   content that you can just relax your   then then that’s when silly things
 see what I can find, see if I can   body, close your eyes, and then   happen.  Silly things can become
 find materials that will last under   let the water do everything else.   dangerous very quickly.
 the water, and just things like that.   In terms of posing, it’s all about
 A part of me loves this MacGyver   being relaxed, not trying to control   Pat P
 kind of situation.  Where I’m like,   everything.  Just letting go of the   Safety has to be a huge concern for
 how do I make this work?  Most of   situation and then everything else   you.
 what I do underwater is driven by a   kind of falls into place.
 need to create something physical   Brett S
 or to solve a problem.  So, the   Pat P  Yeah. I think we gloss over that a
 problem was how do I build a room   I know every time I talk to you and   little bit. Sometimes when we talk
 underwater? And that was the   I listen to you, I immediately feel a   about underwater photography,
 problem that I wanted to solve.  little bit more Zen. So, the fact that I   it’s all about the fantastical side
 can see that easily transferring into   of things.  But I’m very much a
 Pat P  a model in front of the camera, it   proponent of safety.  And we are
 I am also a photographer.  I look at   makes a lot of sense.  so close to doing something very
 this from all the different aspects   dangerous.  That if you’re not
 that I would be challenged with,    Brett S  aware, and you’re not planning
 the lighting, the fluidity of the   Well, to be honest, I think one of   properly, then you can put people
 model, and how you’re getting   my greatest skills, aside from you   in danger and you don’t want to do
 all of the hair not in her face at   know, even more than being a   that.
 that right click of the lens. But   photographer is getting people to
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