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Bob: Some classes in front of us, I remember one class, I can’t think which one it was.
But it might have been 45G something like that. No, it wasn’t G, it was back there,

they graduated with eight cadets.

Ivan: Wow.

Bob: And usually at that time they were having input into the class roughly around a
hundred and sixty, a hundred and seventy individuals.

Ivan: Wow I've never heard those kind of numbers. Because I guess we all kind of think
'oh yeah they all went in and they all came out and graduated and became pilots.'

Bob: No, no there were so many pilots that were washed out in cadet training. And I
saw some of the guys they washed out, they were better, I would hate to say it,
but they were better fliers than I. I had no problem with cadet training. It was
something that I felt that anyone can fly an airplane. All they do is get instructions
and learn how to do it and hey I can do that. So I had no fear of the cadet program.
Even the feeling that I was incapable of doing it. I went in with the idea I'm going
to get through this program and become a pilot and fly and that's it. So no big
problem there. But that was the concept that was going on there…I can’t figure
out where it came to a decision that all of the whites got out and the blacks took

over completely. But it was a long time before my class. It was all black instructors
and these guys they were probably I would say tougher than the whites probably
were. Because they wanted to make sure that whoever they passed through they
knew what the heck they were doing.

Ivan: Wow.

Bob: So they were pretty tough on us.

Ivan: Wow, so going back to what you said about the small numbers of folks that were

coming through. Was that an aptitude thing, was it another aspect, a non-flying
reason, why so many washed out? What can you tell me about it? I mean that's
more than fifty percent that's like seventy-five percent of the people washed out.

Bob: Oh yeah, well really you can’t really put a finger on it, what caused this. That's why
this thing of the quota came up, because some of the guys as I said washed out,
they were good pilots. But well an example in my class, one of (the guys in) my