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                                                                                                                                       Friday 27 November 2015

 Brazil banker                  Fund manager Q&A:
arrest sending
 shares lower                   USAA’s Matt Freund defends strategy of holding cash 

M. SAVARESE                     STAN CHOE                        Matt Freund, chief investment    that) economic activity will    6 percent for returns.
Associated Press                AP Business Writer                                                return to normal, will accel-   Q: And stocks don’t look
RIO DE JANEIRO (AP) —           NEW YORK (AP) — Some-            officer of USAA’s mutual         erate.                          good at all?
When IT specialist Andre        times the best choice is to                                       Q: So stocks don’t look like    A: Let’s say that you are
Esteves decided to leave        make none at all, particu-       funds, poses for a photo.        the better investment ver-      the perfect, rational inves-
Swiss bank UBS in 2008 to       larly when all the options                                        sus bonds?                      tor who invests without any
refound bank Pactual, he        look risky.                      When deciding whether to         A: People implicitly make       emotions. Or you’re going
added BTG to the com-           So if you’re deciding                                             the assumption that the         to program the computer
pany’s name to symbolize        whether to invest in stocks,     invest in stocks, bonds or       market owes them a good         to do it. If you told the com-
that he was “back to the        bonds or something else,                                          choice.                         puter, “My time horizon is
game.” Later, as a darling      remember that you could          something else, Freund says      People always talk about        five years or 10 years,” it
of the financial markets, he    leave some of it in cash. So                                      how you need to buy stocks      would put you in stocks. It
jokingly said that the acro-    says Matt Freund, chief in-      it’s fine for investors to hold  today because they’re a         would put you in emerging
nym actually meant “bet-        vestment officer of USAA’s                                        TINA - there is no alterna-     markets.
ter than Goldman” Sachs.        mutual funds.                    cash.      (USAA via AP)         tive. And I completely dis-     But if you said, “Look, I’m
On Thursday, though, Es-        He says stocks are likely                                         agree. Stocks may beat          really a six-month investor,”
teves, one of the wealthi-      due to deliver lower re-         cent corrections are going       cash or bonds. But that         the offered returns don’t
est men in the country, he      turns than before, maybe         to be much more com-             doesn’t mean you’re be-         compensate for the risk,
completed his first day in      7 percent annually, partly       monplace. They’re not go-        ing paid for the risk, and      and it would keep you out
jail, accused of obstruct-      because of how high their        ing to be as newsworthy.         that doesn’t mean it’s ap-      of those markets.
ing a probe into corruption     prices have become rela-         Q: Aren’t stocks supposed        propriate for you and your      Q: Do you really think peo-
at the state oil company,       tive to corporate profits.       to do well, even after the       time horizon.                   ple are investing in stocks
Petrobras.                      And as the Federal Reserve       Fed starts raising rates?        Q: What kinds of invest-        with expectations to hold
Esteves, who denies all the     gets closer to raising inter-    A: Everybody talks about         ments do you like?              for just six months?
accusations, was arrested       est rates, Freund expects        how stocks typically don’t       A: I actually do like high-     A: People are exception-
at his home in Rio de Ja-       price swings for stocks to       peak until two or three          yield.                          ally short term. Maybe it’s
neiro, sending BTG Pactual      get bigger. Bonds, too, are      years after the Fed begins       Q: Don’t managers of high-      for a year. But look at all
shares tumbling.                likely to get more volatile.     raising rates. Is that going     yield bond funds always         the articles that happened
On Wednesday, bank              Instead of taking on a lot       to happen this time? Is it       say they like high-yield?       in August. It was a 10 per-
shares dipped 21 percent        of extra risk for only a little  safe for stocks? Well, we’re     A: If I gave you the choice     cent correction. It was
on the Sao Paulo stock          bit more return, the right       not sure, but I suspect that     of two asset classes, and       long overdue. It was no big
market. On Thursday, rating     choice may be to get             it’s not.                        one was going to earn 7         deal. But it created a lot of
agency Moody’s said it was      more conservative, says          Typically, when the Fed          percent and be really vol-      worry and angst.
placing the bank’s ratings      Freund, who manages sev-         raises rates, the economy is     atile, and the other was        Q: That advice wouldn’t
on review for downgrade,        eral bond mutual funds.          accelerating. And at USAA,       going to earn almost 7 per-     have been any different 10
which triggered another         He recently talked about         while we’re not calling for      cent but with a lot less vol-   years ago, though, right?
session of losses for BTG.      why it can make sense to         a recession, we’re not call-     atility, which one is better?   A: Yeah, but people al-
The impact of the inves-        stash some cash under the        ing for an acceleration ei-      I think that for the same re-   ways seem to forget it.
tigations could be felt in      mattress. The interview has      ther. We think we’re going       turns, take less risk.          There’s nothing wrong with
every  business  related to     been edited for length and       to be seeing more of the         Q: I assume the first choice    holding some cash.
BTG Pactual, according          clarity.                         same, where the economy          is stocks, and the second       Imagine you were that
to Silvio Campos Neto, an       Q: How much more volatil-        is kind of grinding along at     is high-yield bonds. Can        lucky person who was sit-
economist at consultancy        ity should we be expecting       very modest growth.              they really produce nearly      ting on a big stockpile of
firm Tendencias. “We don’t      once the Fed begins rais-        Stock valuations today are       7 percent returns?              cash in August. Everyone
know yet how exposed they       ing rates?                       not cheap, and they are          A: The high-yield index is      is running for the door. You
are. But the main risk is a     A: We’ve already seen it.        (based on the assumption         yielding close to 8 percent.    would have been very well
loss of confidence leading      We saw it in August, when                                         After expenses, it’s close      rewarded for putting that
to cash flowing out. Then it    people were trying to                                             to 7. So then you have to       money to work. But how
could affect others that are    make a huge news story                                            worry about defaults and        do you get that dry pow-
related,” he told The Asso-     about a 10 percent de-                                            price swings. If you’re in-     der? You have to pull back
ciated Press. “So far the risk  cline for stocks. I think it is                                   vesting for three to five       when the market feels
seems to be under control.      going to get worse. I think                                       years, I think the ballpark is  good, and that’s times like
But the market is vigilant.”    these sorts of 5 and 10 per-                                      in the low 6 percent to high    now.q
In July last year, BTG bought
Swiss bank BSI for $ 1.68 bil-  US new-home sales rebound in October after slip
lion. Esteves, 47, was re-
cently involved in a pend-      JOSH BOAK                        nual rate of 495,000. This       ery in the housing market,”     in the Midwest and South.
ing operation to merge          AP Economics Writer                                               said Blerina Uruçi, an ana-     Sales dropped slightly in
dominant cellphone carri-       WASHINGTON (AP) — Sales          rebound followed a 12.9          lyst at Barclays. The new-      the West. But prices dipped
ers Oi and TIM in Brazil. BTG   of new homes recovered                                            home sales report tends         last month despite other
has shares in construction      in October after suffer-         percent plunge in the sales      to be volatile from month       industry reports indicating
companies, online media         ing a steep drop in Sep-                                          to month. Downward revi-        that real estate prices have
and many other sectors.         tember, returning to this        rate during September.           sions lowered home sales        eclipsed income growth. In
The bank tried to calm in-      year’s trend of an improv-                                        reported in September,          October, the median new-
vestors with the appoint-       ing market for real estate       Americans  recovered             August and July by a com-       home sales price fell 8.5
ment of Persio Arida, chair-    developers and builders.                                          bined 40,000. The Octo-         percent from a year ago
man of the bank’s asset         The Commerce Depart-             much of their appetite           ber figures reflected some      to $281,500. The real estate
management unit and for-        ment said Wednesday that                                          geographical extremes.          sector is still healing from
mer Central Bank governor,      new-home sales climbed           for owning new homes             Home-buying surged 135.5        the bursting of the housing
as interim CEO.q                10.7 percent last month to                                        percent in the Northeast,       bubble and the 2008 finan-
                                a seasonally adjusted an-        this year. Purchases have        while rising less aggressively  cial crisis.q

                                                                 surged 15.7 percent year-

                                                                 to-date, benefiting from

                                                                 the solid hiring gains and

                                                                 low mortgage rates. “We

                                                                 still see new homes sales

                                                                 consistent with a moder-

                                                                 ate and sustained recov-
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