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development that I did not   soon going to publish another   where I will do an exhibition of
             understand before. I was an   book It seems that you are   my photos .This time, my wife
             "ecologist" and my main con-  also involved in a lot of other   will come with me and we'll
             cerns were more about saving   things. Would you mind telling   spend four days of holiday there.
             the hippopotamus, stopping   us some more about what you
             deforestation, etc. Today, I real-  are doing?   Q: Ifyou do have a message you
             ize that the person really in dan-              would like to pass on to our
             ger is the human-being.   In fact, this year I have already   readers, what would it be?
                                      finished two books. One book                      Plantations
                                                                                                    around
             So, it is true that we are now   is about France and the other   First of all, I do not in general   Timbuktu, Mali
             coming to understand that this   about Algeria. Algeria means a   pass on messages. However, I
             huge concept of sustainable   lot to the French as there has   think it is very important to have   Located between the
             development is what comes first:   been a long and painful history   a strong commitment and con-  Saharan and the Sahel
             eradicating poverty. Poverty is   between the two countries. I   victions. When you have a strong   zone, Timbuktu has clay
             lack of education, people starv-  loved this type of work, as it is   conviction and you defend it   Soils, its daytime temper-
             ing, and people without work.   bringing people together.   with honesty, it is quite easy to   atures races 50°C, and
             We have to resolve all of this if   Today, Algeria is a rather closed   pass on the message. I think that
                                                                                        rainfall approaches 150
             we are going to live together.   country and I was the first one   politicians and people who sit on   Millimetres per year.
                                      to be allowed to photograph it.   international committees have
                                                                                        Needless to say, agricul-
                                      Nobody had seen this kind of   stronger personal ambition than
             Q:  How are you able to con-                                               ture is a challenge. Belts
                                      photo from Algeria before. I am   they have convictions. This is, in
             tribute to disaster prevention?                                            offruits frees and fences
                                      very satisfied with the result   my sense, one of the reasons why   create protection and sta-
                                      and proud of having been there   very often we do not succeed.
             Photographing the effects of dis-               Look at the United Nations as an   bilise dunes. Vegetation
             asters and damaged sites enables   to take these photos.   illustration of how difficult this   can root itself in small
             me to raise public awareness.   If the Algerians have invited me   is, despite the fact that the UN is   adjacent plots of lands, a
              The more people are mobilized,                                            meter wide, where water
                                      to come and take photos, it   the only international forum
             the more public opinion may   implies that they are opening up   capable of acting as a watch-dog   is used sparingly. With
             have on decision makers. We   to the outside world. I am very   for the world. It is not normal,   care and attention these
              must not forget the fact that the   pleased to be a kind of hyphen,   for instance, that as of today only   gardens can withstand
             dams breaking in New Orleans                                               extreme weather condi-
             could have been prevented. As   in my own way, between two   one-third of the US$500 million   tions, producing vegeta-
                                      people who does not really   promised in assistance to the vic-
              more and more people live in                                              bles such as peas, beans,
                                      know each other very well. It is   tims of the earthquake in
              favellas on the hills in Rio, they   true that I do a lot of things. At   Pakistan has been donated. For   lentils, green beans, cab-
              become more vulnerable to mud-                                            bage, Lettuces for local
                                      this very moment, we are work-  me, this is a scandal, especially
             slides. In France, one commune                                             populations who other-
                                      ing on a huge operation in   when oil prices have increased
              in three is at risk from flooding.   France. We are sending out free   tremendously over the last year   wise suffer from a lack of
              One could cite dozens of exam-                                            vitamins and Mineral
                                      of charge 2 million posters   and some countries have become
              ples.                                                                     salts. Such community
                                      explaining to children about   extremely rich.
                                                                                        plantations in the dunes
                                      sustainable development—at
              Q:  Why are you collaborating   last one for each school. I am   In particular, I also think about   offer a way of coping
                                                                                        with the advancing sand
              with ISDR?              very engaged in this kind of   politicians being governed by   desert, pushed by the
                                      project informing the general   voters, that is, the general public.
                                                                                        Harmattan wind from the
              Because the work of ISDR is   public and making them aware   In my opinion, I think that it is
              indispensable. We must prevent   of the importance of sustainable   necessary today for convictions   Sahara each year, threat-
                                                                                        ening to bury Timbuktu
              disasters before they happen and   development. It also tells them   to come from the grass-roots   and its national heritage.
              reduce their impact.    about our responsibilities—not   level. This would incite the
                                                                                        While desertification is a
                                      to mention those of the politi-  politicians to have convictions
                                                                                        threat, there are tested,
              Q: What is your main motiva-  cians.           too. Politicians are no different   local practices, which
              tion?                                          from you and me. If the masses
                                                                                        can
                                                                                              use
                                                                                                    natural
                                      Q: But you do not "do" poli-  do not have convictions and
              Motivation to change. When I   tics?           something to fight for, the politi-  resources to retard ero-
                                                                                        sion and provide nour-
              was young I was very ambitious;                cians don't either.
                                                                                        ishment at the same time.
              I wanted to succeed. When you   Not at all. But perhaps one
              succeed, you realize that success   could say that I do it my way.   We live in a democracy. The
              in your professional life does not
                                                             courageous people who would
              mean that you have succeeded in   Q: It seems as jfyou have been   like to change the world for a
              your life as a man. That is some-  everywhere. Is there anyplace   better one are never listened to
              thing different. My ambition   you have not been?   for the simple reason that the
              today is perhaps to succeed in                 decisions implied might be diffi-
              my life as a man, both in the   There are a lot of places that I   cult to make. My message is,
              family and professionally, by   have not visited: China, Saudi
                                                             look at the photos and try to learn
              giving sense to my work. It is   Arabia, in the middle of Africa
                                                             something from it. If you have
              perhaps an impossible ambi-  You cannot go everywhere.   learned something, it is already a
              tion—the "Graal".       My next trip will be to Armenia    positive sign in itself.
              Q: I have heard that you are
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