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 strong traditions, but all over the place, people   I have an idea that this was the first example   “The Babylonians believed in ghosts,
 who are in charge of money think, “Well, do   of  “normal”  practice.  Homo  sapiens  arrives
 we really need this? Is it of any use?”  in  Europe.  What  do  they  do?  They  kill  all   and they produced a huge amount of
               the  blokes  and  marry  the  women.  They’re   writing about them, how to get rid of
 I  believe  in  being  assertive  in  saying  why   probably dark looking, hairy and all sorts of
 it’s  important.  There  are  lots  of  really  good   things like that.  them, what they looked like, what it
 reasons, and one involves politicians. It’s very     meant when they were there, how to
 common for them to think, when they look   You know people all over Britain are looking
 back on what they know about the history of   into their DNA to find out about their roots.  exorcise them, how to bring them up
 the world, that they in themselves represent   The fact is that DNA contains a good amount   from the dead.”
 the  highest  achievement  of  humankind   of stuff from the Neanderthals, and when it
 because they are the leaders.  was first published people gave the impression
               that  a  couple  of  Neanderthal  girls  got  a  bit
 The  fact  is  that  the  human  race  has  not   drunk  at  the  party  and  ended  up  with  an  Mesopotamia;  it’s  called  The  First  Ghosts.
 evolved at all in any way which is noticeable or   unwanted pregnancy and that’s how we have it  The Babylonians believed in ghosts, and they
 important. The corollary of that is that human   in our genetic pool. But of course, it isn’t. They  produced  a  huge  amount  of  writing  about
 beings have been making the same mistakes   must have murdered the men, all of them, and  them, how to get rid of them, what they looked
 over and over. If you consider what’s happened   married  the  women.  And  that  explains  why  like, what it meant when they were there, how
 since  the  beginning  of  writing,  what  with   it’s still such a strong trait. The whites come,  to exorcise them, how to bring them up from
 nations  with  tyrants  and  judicious  religious   they like the land, they kill off the indigenous  the dead.
 open the Olympics with the blazing torches,   leaders as well as corrupt ones, it’s the same all   people,  marry  their  women.  So,  in  the  very
 we should have some young person running   the way through. It is an unchanging disaster   first  stage  of  history,  we  have  this  happen  Before that, I wrote a book called The Ark Before
 around the museum all the time, passing the   because people are not living by intelligence   like the Americans with the Indians and the  Noah,  which  was  based  upon  a  cuneiform
 torches round and round and round.  but sex drive, greed, commerce, violence, all   Australians with the Aboriginals.  tablet  which  came  to  light  from  a  visited
 those things.                                        museum. It was part of the flood story which
 So,  you  think  there  should  be  some   Things like racial prejudice are there from the  we had already known about in Mesopotamia
 international movement?  It’s amazing to me that the world does work at   beginning  of  the  species.  It  seems  endemic  since the 19th century. This was a tablet which
 I  would  think  so.  All  the  directors  of  those   all when people are so uncivilized. It’s really   to the human race to be religious – and to be  was written in about 1800 B.C., and it was the
 museums  should  know  that  they’re  holding   extraordinary  that  murder  doesn’t  happen   racially  prejudiced  against  the  other.  So,  it’s  moment when the gods told a human being to
 hands,  linking  arms,  and  if  someone’s  rude   every five minutes. I have a kind of naive idea   very difficult to expect racism to disappear. I  build an ark because the floods will come. So,
 about St. Petersburg, well, just a minute, and   that  if  teachers,  clergymen  and  other  such   think we should take history and archaeology  he did and put all the animals in it, and that’s
 then the other museums will come down on   people  had  a  really  good  grasp  of  what  we   and  writing  as  a  kind  of  tapestry:  the  more  the story behind Noah in the Bible, but it was a
 the offender.  can see humans have done since they arrived,   you  know  of  the  stitching,  the  more  you  thousand years older.
 they’d  be  a  bit  more  modest  about  being   understand why we’re in such a mess.
 What about recruitment to your field?  dogmatic.     So, it’s real?
 It’s not good because of the disasters of how   Apart  from  YouTube  do  you  have  other  Real I don’t know, but in ancient Iraq, they had
 museums are treated. This country has been   Before  Homo  sapiens,  there  were  the   channels that people can watch?  this flood story with a boat that rescued life at
 financially undermined. People in Britain say   Neanderthals.  I  don’t  know  how  many   The  thing  about  the  British  Museum  and  least a thousand years before the one in the
 that science is of prime importance and the   hundreds  of  thousands  of  years  they  lived   YouTube is that they get people who know about  Bible because the Euphrates and Tigris rivers
 arts generally aren’t. By arts I mean theaters,   in  Europe  before  Homo  sapiens  turned  up.   their  own  subject,  and  who  are  enthusiastic  which  bring  all  the  water  there  sometimes
 cinema,  painting  and  all  that.  “We  do  not   The thing about them is they were physically   about  it,  and  then  they  do  videos  and  post  flood.  There  must  have  been  a  very  serious
 really  need  that,  and  it’s  not  so  important.”   slight in build compared to us but their brain   them on YouTube. There’s someone who does  flood. When the Judeans after the destruction
 Museum departments, which are in the arts   capacity was slightly larger. They survived ice   clocks  and  watches,  some  good  things  about  of  Jerusalem  were  taken  to  Babylon  under
 suffer badly. They don’t teach Latin and Greek   ages and ate mammoths, and they obviously   ancient Egypt, about the Romans etc. Several  Nebuchadnezzar,  they  heard  this  story.  In
 very  much  anymore,  which  used  to  be  the   had a language and they married their sisters   of the curators do videos but some won’t. It’s  the  construction  of  the  Genesis  book,  they
 staple of proper education.  and bred, and they were healthy and strong   a  widespread  thing,  and  it’s  a  very  beneficial  decided  to  take  the  narrative  as  a  teaching
 individuals and they buried their dead.  matter. I’m all in favor of it.  structure in the Hebrew text which then went
 Several of the departments where Assyriology,        into  Greek  and  Latin  and  Christianity.  So,
 cuneiform  used  to  be  taught  don’t  do  it   But  the  interesting  thing  is  that  for  about   I  just  heard  that  you  said  you  have  written  what is so extraordinary is that the god who
 anymore. So, it’s shrinking. There are countries,   600,000  years  they  were  here  then  homo   a book, a new book. Could you tell us more  has this information gave the size of the boat,
 Holland, Germany, America and France and   sapiens arrived and very soon afterwards they   about it?  the shape of it and all the materials you need
 other  places,  where  there  are  or  have  been   disappeared.  I  wrote  a  book  about  the  ghosts  of  ancient  to make it.


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