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                                  Associate Prof.            as an oral and maxillofacial surgeon. In 2011 I was promoted          The other important lesson is that it takes time to build   – respect for autonomy, beneficence, non-maleficence and
                                                             to Air Commodore and appointed Director General Health
                                                                                                                                                                                      justice. These can be applied to almost all clinical situations,
                                                                                                                                   a trusting relationship. This is why we went back to the
                                  Rowan D. Story             Reserves – Air Force for four years.                                  same hospital each year. This approach has led to rich and   but they are not mechanistic, they must be applied with
                                  AM RFD (1976) is           A little bit of the well-known ‘imposter syndrome’ doesn’t hurt       longstanding friendships. Volunteer work like this is one of the   understanding and nuance.
                                                                                                                                   most humbling but rewarding things that I have ever had the
                                  interviewed by JCH         when you step up to a significant leadership position. It makes       privilege to do.                                   An example might help. The patient was a busy Australian
                                  biomedicine student,       you more alert to doing the job as well as you possibly can. A          As an Honorary Clinical Associate Professor, what lessons   academic and author who was based at a prestigious American
                                                                                                                                                                                      university. He was visiting Melbourne briefly for a conference.
                                                             great piece of advice from an experienced officer colleague was:
                                  Ethan Watson               ‘Your job now is to look up and out - not down’. You can’t look       or principles do you hope to instil in the next generation of   He was referred for a possible infection related to a lower
                                  (2023).                    up and out at the bigger picture if you are still trying to influence   healthcare professionals?                        left mandibular third molar. After taking a history, and then

                                                             all levels below you. It is important to give clear directions to
                                                                                                                                                                                      clinical examination, it was clear that it was a more complicated
                                                             competent subordinates and then support them to the hilt to do        It is a given that we must be technically very competent, but   situation. I said to him that I would have to refer him urgently
                                                             their job. This requires trust up and down the organisation.          we must be much more than just a good surgical technician.   to a head and neck unit. He was disinclined to follow my advice.
                                                                                                                                   The trust that patients place in us is the most powerful element   His flight was in two days. He had a full teaching schedule in
                                                                                                                                   of the doctor/patient relationship. The best clinical teachers in   America and said he would see someone when he was back
                                                                                                                                   my training were those who treated patients as individuals, not   there. I had a strong sense that he might not do this. I persisted
          How did your time at Janet Clarke Hall shape your personal and
          professional journey? Are there specific memories or values from                                                         cases. Here is a three-word slogan I recommend – Compassion,   and was able to persuade him, not without difficulty, to re-
          your time there that have stayed with you throughout your career?                                                        Curiosity and Courage – compassion for all patients, curiosity   book his flight and follow my referral to the head and neck
                                                                                                                                   about their circumstances and courage to deal with both   unit in Melbourne the next day. I made sure that he did. A
          My JCH year was my final year of the Bachelor of Dental Science.                                                         success and failure.                               malignancy that I had suspected was confirmed and treatment
          I remember my interview with then Principal, Dr Eva Eden. She                                                                                                               was successful. I recount this tale not to show that I was clever
          listened to my rather patchy history, both academically and in                                                                                                              in any way, but to show how ethical principles can be applied in
          colleges, (JCH would be my third) and she gave me a home. This was                                                                                                          a particular situation.
          a lesson both in advocating for myself and seeing how that was
          received by a person who had high standards, but also a generosity    Teaching clinical skills to ADF dentists                                                              Across a multifaceted career, what has been one of the most
          of spirit. So, the value of actively listening to another person                                                                                                            difficult challenges you’ve faced, and how did you work through it?
          and trying hard to understand that person has stayed with me.  Your work with the Vietnam Cleft Palate Surgical Team is truly                                               A difficult challenge, when I was a Group Captain, was being
                                                             inspiring. Could you share some of the most impactful moments                                                            appointed as a Routine Inquiry Officer and tasked to investigate
          Your career bridges two highly demanding professions – oral   from this initiative, and what this work has taught you about
          and maxillofacial surgery and law. What motivated you to   resilience and global collaboration?                                                                             an allegation of bullying of a junior ADF officer by a senior ADF
          pursue such diverse fields, and how do you see these disciplines                                                                                                            officer. I knew both parties. The inquiry took three months to
          complementing each other in your work?             My experience as an ADF Reservist helped enormously with                                                                 conduct. The result of the inquiry was that the complaint was
                                                             leading a team doing volunteer surgery in Vietnam. Apart                                                                 made out but there were significant, health related, mitigating
          I became interested in the law after spending nine years on the   from the COVID hiatus, this was annually from 1998 until                Working with SES team             factors. Separating out the personal relationship I had with the
          Dental Board of Victoria. I had been in practice as an oral and   2023. The leadership style needed with a volunteer group                                                  two individuals, and following the process, whilst affording
          maxillofacial surgeon for seven years when I was elected to the   of surgeons and nurses is different from the ADF – but there   Your contributions extend far beyond your immediate   both individuals procedural fairness, was the key. It was
          Board. Before the national scheme which is now in place, each   are similarities. Helping the group to work together in an   professional responsibilities. What motivates you to engage   important for me to maintain my focus on what the process
          jurisdiction in Australia had its own health regulatory boards.   unfamiliar environment is important. The cultural differences   in voluntary initiatives, and how do you see their impact on   required. It was a difficult job, but satisfying in that there
          An important part of the work of these boards was dealing   between Vietnam and Australia must be understood and         communities?                                       were no significant adverse consequences for the individuals
          with allegations of professional misconduct by practitioners.   respected. Anatomy, physiology and biochemistry are the                                                     involved, and the problem was resolved.
          These allegations were dealt with in hearings at the Dental   same throughout the world. However, ways of working in the   The question of what motivates a person to engage in voluntary
          Board. They were conducted as tribunal hearings with the   operating room, and interacting with staff and patients, take   initiatives is quite hard to answer. It is a mix of thinking that   What advice would you offer to current JCH students who aspire
          Board and the practitioner each represented by counsel. If the   time to understand.                                     public service is a good thing, and that we, as human beings,   to make meaningful contributions in their chosen fields,
          allegations were found to be made out there could be serious                                                             are designed to ‘do stuff’. I retired from surgical practice in   particularly those considering multidisciplinary careers like yours?
          consequences for the practitioner, including deregistration.   Our approach was to only do procedures in Vietnam that we did   early 2022 and moved to the Bellarine Peninsula. I am now an
          I had not had any training in this activity, but I found the   in our own hospital, in Melbourne. This sometimes necessitated   operational member of the Bellarine Unit of the Victorian SES.   We might start on one path, but it may not be the path we end
          legal processes absorbingly interesting and important in the   very difficult decisions as to who we could and could not help.   The members volunteer their time to be trained in the requisite   on. Be open to new experiences and opportunities. Never stop
          maintenance of standards and protection of the public.   The big lesson from working in another country is the value of   skills and then to turn out for a range of emergency events.   learning. Read away from your primary study pathway. Take
                                                             humility. We don’t always have all the answers. We were never         As first responders we work with Victoria Police, Ambulance   time to reflect on where you have been and where you imagine
          I decided to study law formally and was then admitted to the   prescriptive, we would say ‘This is how we do the operation,   Victoria and the Fire Services. The camaraderie and mutual   you will be next year, in five years, in ten years. When you can,
          Supreme Court of Victoria. I didn’t practise law, apart from a   how do you do it?’                                      support in the unit is great.                      push at the envelope of your comfort zone. Stay curious.
          brief time as a volunteer at the Fitzroy Legal Service, but I have
          taught law and ethics to healthcare students. The ability to see                                                         I have also been elected as a Councillor in the City of Greater   As you reflect on your journey, what do you consider your most
          issues from a healthcare perspective as a surgeon, and from a                                                            Geelong. After being an interested voter, and observer of   meaningful accomplishment, and what goals or dreams do you
          legal perspective, is very valuable. In particular, studying law                                                         politics, for my entire adult life, it is a bracing challenge being   still hope to pursue?
          teaches precision in thinking and the use of language.                                                                   on the field instead of watching from the stands. Volunteering,
                                                                                                                                   in its many forms, really is the glue that can help hold   If I do what I have recommended that you do, I should
          As Clinical Director and a former Director General of Health                                                             communities together.                              pause and reflect on my journey so far. My most meaningful
          Reserves for the Air Force, leadership has clearly been a                                                                                                                   accomplishment? Being part of a loving family. I know it
          cornerstone of your career. What are the key principles                                                                  In roles where ethical decision-making is crucial, how have you   sounds trite but the older I get the more I realise that the most
          that have guided you in leading teams across such varied                                                                 approached complex challenges, and what advice would you   important part of life is our fellow human beings – family,
          environments?                                                                                                            offer to those navigating similar situations?      friends who become like family, work colleagues, patients. A
                                                                                                                                                                                      goal I hope to pursue is to improve how I relate to others and,
          I joined the Army Reserve as an undergraduate, spent seven                                                               Ethical decision making in clinical situations requires the   perhaps, reach the Greek ideal of Eudaimonia – living a life of
          years in the Army Reserve including one year on attachment to                                                            clinician to have an internal moral compass and a coherent and   purpose, meaning and profound happiness.
                                                                                                                                                                                                           Bjork performing dressed as DNA
          the British Army, then transferred to the RAAF Specialist Reserve   Rowan Story with Vietnamese surgeons in Ho Chi Minh City  workable ethical toolkit. One such is principle-based ethics
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