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     32     EASTERN HORIZON  |  FACE TO FACE
           the monk Saṃkicca, when faced     through managing nagas, subduing   states of mind and areas of the
           with a novice who continually     demons, or feeding pretas.        cosmos. But it is also important to
           wavered in his commitment to the                                    recognize that for many Buddhists
           sangha, brought the novice to see   Some secular Buddhists have     today, and in the past, pretas and
           his family who had been reborn as   argued that the six realms,     other non-human beings were real
           pretas. The encounter causes the   including the peta realm, are not   historical presences. Buddhists
           novice to become shaken (saṃvega).   physical worlds where beings   understood themselves to be in
           He then firmly dedicates himself   are reborn after death, but      an interdependent relationship
           to the sangha. There are several   psychological representations of   with such beings and had ethical
           stories like this, where someone   our different mental states. What   responsibilities toward them. This
           sees, hears, or learns about pretas   are your thoughts on this?    interdependent entanglement might
           and experiences a sense of shock                                    be able to teach us about how to
           (saṃvega) that enables them to    The interpretation of the six realms   cultivate ethical relationships with
           develop confidence and mental     of rebirth as psychological metaphor   the more-than-human world today.
           clarity (śraddhā and prasāda) in   is common among some modernist   For this reason, I think we need to
           the Buddha’s teachings. At the    and secular interpretations of    be cautious before reducing all of
           same time, I don’t think we need   Buddhism. Some scholars have     Buddhist cosmology to psychology
           to reduce these beings to only    suggested that this reading might   and symbolism. One goal I had in
           having value when they can help   not have been unfamiliar to       writing my book was to show that
           point someone to awakening. Early   Buddhist monks, such as Śāntideva.   stories about pretas, and, in general,
                                             And some texts, like the Aggañña
           Buddhist records show that monks                                    conceptions of karma and rebirth,
           were often involved with various   Sutta (DN 27), do show some      were—and still are—important
           supernatural beings, whether that is   correspondence between certain   components of Buddhist ethical
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