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           Many of the women I spent time with had been involved   norms and textual resources as well as complicated
           with Buddhist groups, teachers and organizations   social and political histories that have been passed
           for decades and they felt such a strong connection to   down to us in different ways. Furthermore, they can
           really living out Buddhist teachings as authentically as   also be contradictory, as many other large and complex
           they could.  The subtitle of my book is ‘commitment,   religious traditions are. Drawing on the reading that I
           connection and community’ and through the book I show   have done as a scholar, there are contained in Buddhist
           how these three interrelated themes dominate women’s   text and practice ideas that are both challenging for me
           practices and the choices that they make, particularly   as a woman or for women wishing to ordain, but also
           the relationships that they had with local Buddhist   those that are ripe with soteriological possibility. In
           communities.  Although Buddhism is clearly an effective   this regard, I have been strongly influenced by superb
           transnational religion (and many women had important   textual scholars such as Amy Paris Langenberg in her
           connections with teachers and groups outside of the   2017 book, ‘Birth in Buddhism: The Suffering Foetus
           UK), what was very important to them was their local   and Female Freedom’ where she argues that what we
           groups and supporters, and maintaining communities   might perceive as negative within certain Buddhist texts
           that surrounded them as well as connections with fellow   (for example, the connections made between women’s
           travelers in the dharma, and their teachers. In the book, I   bodies and suffering) actually can offer liberatory
           draw on stories of women who physically built Buddhist   potential.  I tend towards seeing the development
           centers in Britain, including laying bricks and floors   of Buddhist traditions as being shaped by dominant
           and doing their best (despite often very challenging   social norms of the time, but my role as a researcher
           circumstances) to keep communities functioning. This   of contemporary Buddhism isn’t to say what is ‘true’ in
           is a difficult task, and requires vision and dedication,   Buddhist history, but is to highlight the experiences of
           which the women I spent time with displayed frequently.   people in different groups and contexts today.
           Women’s pioneering stories have often been missed
           out of our historical narratives about the development   Some of the Buddhist women you interviewed have
           of Buddhism in Britain, and I wanted to use my book to   been practicing Buddhism for many decades. Do
           highlight and preserve them.  I hope that when my book   they feel that Buddhism in UK is now a mainstream
           is read, the stories of pioneer women who worked very   religion compared to when they first started to
           hard to establish Buddhism on alien British shores are   practice Buddhism?
           inspirational.
                                                              What I chart in the book are some of the profound
           As a Buddhist scholar, do you find that the Buddha   changes that have occurred in British Buddhist
           was particularly bias against women, for instance,   communities over the past few decades, and I
           the nuns, or was he responding more to social      specifically focus my research on groups which are
           norms of his time?                                 predominantly made up of Buddhist converts (those
                                                              who didn’t grow up with Buddhism as their natal
           I find this a difficult question to answer, and in many   religion).  One of my participants who became interested
           ways my first response is as a practitioner rather   in Buddhism as a young person in the 1950s, reported
           than a Buddhist scholar (although those identities are   how little information she had access to about Buddhist
           clearly intertwined).  As a practitioner (I am part of   teachings in the early days, and she had to resort to one
           a lay Theravada tradition), I believe that the Buddha-  or two library books that mentioned Buddhism in her
           dhamma offers liberatory potential for all regardless   local, rural library.  Other participants mentioned that
           of gender, but of course, social norms shape the roles   if they wanted to be part of a Buddhist group in their
           that people are allowed to take and how they have been   local area, they had to set one up and run it themselves.
           treated throughout history as well as their experiences.   This is most certainly not the case for those interested in
           Buddhist traditions are multifaceted and complex, and   Buddhism now, where there is a wealth of information
           they house within them a huge range of practices, rituals,   available online (including online meditation classes
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