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           of Ajahn Chah. There I found a place to ordain and a   schedule to practice, batching practice is possible.
           teacher I trusted. That was over a decade ago.     For example, one day a week to dedicate more time
                                                              to your practice and at least three times a year, go
           Benny: Theravāda teachings often emphasize that    to a monastery for longer practices. I think that is
           the ultimate goal is the end of rebirth. How should a   an important pillar of a dedicated Buddhist’s life –
           layperson balance this aspiration with the realities   practicing in a monastery two or three times a year.
           of family, work, and worldly responsibilities?
                                                              Benny: Is it considered skillful for a layperson to
           Ajahn Kovilo: Whether one is a monastic or a lay   first aspire to good rebirths as part of a gradual
           person, the Noble Eightfold Path is the same. It involves   path, or should one aim directly for liberation
           training in morality, cultivating the mind, and wisdom.   (Nibbāna), even from the beginning?
           And specifically for the laity, it would be generosity,
           morality, and cultivation. In terms of generosity, the   Ajahn Nisabho: The goal and direction towards
           Buddha said, “if beings knew, as I knew, the power of   Nibbāna is so prominent that aiming towards that from
           giving and sharing, they wouldn’t eat without having   the beginning is, I think, the correct orientation for
           given first.” (Dāna Sutta, Iti 26) If one has a spouse or   most people. The articulation of Nibbāna and the end of
           children, one can do that easily. One can serve one’s   rebirth can be, for the reasons we have already spoken
           family first.                                      of, abstract and even difficult for some. On a daily basis,
                                                              a layperson should make the aspiration to give up greed,
           The five precepts, which are the basis for the 227   hatred, and delusion, and being as kind and generous
           monastic precepts should be the foundation of one’s life,   as possible. These are accessible touchstones for most
           and in a Buddhist context, a life of harmlessness. And   people, and the definition of Nibbāna is the cessation
           if they can keep the eight (uposatha) precepts it will   of greed, hatred, and delusion. People should trust the
           heighten their practice, and lead in the direction of the   Buddha and aim for the end of rebirth.
           end of rebirth.
                                                              And articulating that on a day-to-day basis: when you
           The Buddha spoke of Nibbāna as the highest         wake up in the morning, bowing, and dedicating your life
           happiness, the highest peace, complete freedom     to awakening, is a beautiful aspiration. Finding language
           from suffering, and freedom from anger, and craving.   and touchstones on that path which are readily accessible
           Practicing the five or the eight precepts, and being   and comprehensible is useful. At the beginning and the
           generous, all lead in that direction.              end of each day, you bow to your shrine, and you dedicate
                                                              your life to the Buddha, Dhamma, and Saṅgha, you take
           Ajahn Nisabho: In terms of how laypeople can live this   refuge in the Triple Gem; and then you dedicate your
           path sincerely, with families, jobs, and responsibilities,   life to giving up greed, hatred, and delusion, cultivating
           it’s useful to remember that the Buddha provided a   awakening, for the benefit of all sentient beings.
           powerful and robust form for the laity. It’s called the   Awakening oneself benefits all.
           Upāsaka form. As Ajahn Kovilo mentioned, one aspect
           is keeping the five precepts as in it you’re giving the gift   Ajahn Kovilo: A practitioner should look at the term
           of fearlessness to others. And once a week, at least, take   kusala (in Pāli) or skillful, when considering what is
           on the Uposatha Precepts – the traditional eight which   useful, beneficial and gives good results. The question
           include not consuming media. Some people won’t have   of what should be done often comes from a place of
           that ability, but for those who can should do it at least   idealism, which doesn’t accurately take into account how
           one day a week, or fortnightly, on new moon and full   something will affect one’s life. So, should one aspire to
           moon days. It is a time to reorient your daily life.  Nibbāna from the beginning or to good rebirths? I think
           Although it is often difficult to find time in one’s daily   it will change.





