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           I also decided not to become a    on maturing the whole person.     define it.  It usually refers to both
           monk, as I initially thought I would,   Hence, Zen has now become more   psychological and physical health.
           but I did want to dedicate myself to   integrated with psychotherapy, at   For most people it means being free
           lifelong practice and wanted to find   least in the way I teach it.  I think   from anxiety, free from depression,
           a lay teacher and community that I   this is the most significant change I   free from pain. This is where most
           could commit to.                  have seen.  For myself, this change   Buddhist practitioners begin as
                                             ran parallel with the founding of the   well; however as you mature in
           Kobori Roshi recommended I        Australian Association of Buddhist   the practice you begin to see that
           contact Robert Aitken Roshi in    Counsellors and Psychotherapists   your own personal well-being is
           Hawaii.  As a result of that contact, I   (AABCAP) that I helped establish   not separate from the well-being
           studied with Aitken Roshi in Hawaii   along with my friend and colleague,   of other people or the well-being
           for two years and then returned   psychiatrist and psychotherapist Dr.   of other forms of life.   There is
           to Australia and supported him    Eng-Kong Tan.                     a saying that a mother is only as
           coming to Australia and founding                                    happy as her least happy child.
           the Diamond Sangha here.  After   We know Zen is about meditation.
           studying with him for about fifteen   But what exactly is the purpose,   Well-being, like happiness, is not a
           years I left to study with Charlotte   or the end result, we are looking   goal you can intentionally achieve.
           Joko Beck of San Diego, the       for when we practice Zen?         It happens indirectly when we are
           founder of the Ordinary Mind Zen                                    not pursuing it.  If we grasp after
           School.  In 2003 I received dharma   The purpose, or the end result of   it or claim it for ourselves alone it
           transmission from Joko and began   meditation in Zen, is not to have a   always remains out of our grasp, but
           the Ordinary Mind Zen School,     purpose or seek an end result!  The   if we desire happiness for all beings
           Sydney and Melbourne.             realization is to see that you are   maybe we will experience some of
                                             perfectly okay the way you are, that   it for ourselves as well.  From a Zen
           You’re a pioneer in establishing   you already share Buddha nature   Buddhist perspective well-being is
           Zen practice in Australia. What   with everything in the universe.    the absence of grasping after well-
           significant changes have you      This is the practice of non-gaining in   being and the absence of aversion
           seen in Zen study and practice in   Zen.  Just sitting with no other goal   to unpleasantness and pain.  This is
           Australia over the years?         or purpose than to just sit.  Through   what is meant by nirvana in classical
                                             this practice you come to deeply   Buddhism.  It is not the attaining
           My first ten to fifteen years of   experience yourself fully as you are,   of something but the absence of
           practice were very much in the    without going on any crusades of   something.
           Rinzai school spirit of Zen.  I was   self-criticism or self-improvement.
                                                                               What are the Zen practices
           practicing intensely to experience   If we do this for long enough,
                                                                               that help us explore our mind,
           the sudden realization of kensho and   wisdom, compassion, generosity and
                                                                               especially our emotions and
           working on koans to deepen that   patience naturally arise.
                                                                               behaviors, so that we can discover
           insight into the emptiness of the self.
           I don’t regret going in this direction   “Well-being” is a common term   the fundamental qualities of
           to begin with.  It had its value, but I   now - how do you define it both   existence that promote mental
           also began to see its limitations.  It   as a psychologist and as a Zen   well-being?
           seemed like something was missing.    practitioner and teacher?
           It was bypassing working with                                       Zen practice like other forms of true
           emotions in practice.  That’s why I   When most people use the word   Buddhist practice is based on the
           changed teachers to Charlotte Joko   well-being, they are usually   Noble Eightfold Path.  These eight
           Beck who promoted a more gradual   referring to personal well-being.   components can be categorized as
           approach to practice that focused   This is how psychologists usually   spiritual insight, meditation and the
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