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we do not make conscious effort to contribute    that of the presidency. The highest bidder in
             towards  nation  building.  I  believe  that  if  we   terms  of  monetary  or  financial  inducement
             can  do  so,  there  would  be  effective  positive   actually ended up becoming our president. If
             changes.                                         somebody  successfully  buys  his  way  to  a
                                                              leadership position without merit, how do you
             Gadfly: Thank you, my Lord. Considering the       expect  such  a  person  to  change  overnight?
             excessive and unchecked display of power         Certainly, he would hardly feel accountable to
             and  authority  by  leaders  in  Nigeria  Your   the people.
             Excellency, do you think that Nigerians are
             in  any  way  responsible  for  encouraging      On our part as electorates, if we do not stand to
             these  excesses  either  by  commission  or      protect  our  votes  and  insist  that  the  right
             omission?  If  yes,  what  do  you  suggest      thing be done, then whatever the leaders do
             should be the way forward?                       to us afterwards,  should not be contested. As a
                                                              matter  of  fact,  at  this  level,  we  should  have
             Bishop:  Well,  although  I  would  not  like  to   become so conscious of our rights as citizens
             sound so philosophical in trying to respond to   that we should never allow the politicians to
             this  question  but  the  fact  remains  that    take us for granted. The politicians are taking
             democracy itself as a concept is supposed to     us for granted because it seems that we are
             be a government by representation. That is, it   not even aware of our rights: the right to vote
             is  a  government  that  comes  to  be  through   and  the  right  to  hold  our  representatives
             election,  where  people  are  elected  to       accountable in the way in which they exercise
             effectively  represent  and  at  the  same  time   leadership and power over us, especially when
             articulate  the  interests  of  those  who  have   it has to do with the economy and with our
     INTERVIEW
             voted  them  into  office.  As  a  consequence
                                                              commonwealth.
             therefore,  power  actually  belongs  to  the
             people because if they are the ones doing the
                                                              Gadfly: Thank you. In another perspective,
             voting,  it  means  they  have  the  authority  to
                                                              the imbalance between religion and reason
                                                              in Nigeria is a major cause of the nation's
             determine  those  who  should  govern  them.
                                                              dilemma.  This  is  because  many  Nigerians,
             The  challenge  we  are  have  in  our  country
             however is that the electoral process itself is
                                                              either as groups or individuals, are oblivious
             flawed;  the  rules  are  made  but  never  kept.
                                                              of  what  it  means  to  be  religious  and
                                                              reasonable at the same time. My Lord, what
             Look at the way Nigerians turned up during
             the last election in 2023 to cast their votes in
                                                              can you say about this disturbing truth?
             order to decide who should go and represent
             them  at  the  various  levels  of  government.
                                                              most  religious  people  in  the  whole  world
             Unfortunately,  what  we  witnessed  was  a  far
                                                                           because  in  almost  all  of  the
             cry  from  the  ideal  as  all  the              Bishop: Nigerians are known to be one of the
             fi g u re s   we re   tw i s te d   a n d                      villages  and  townships,  you  will
             manipulated  in  favour  of  the                              find a good number of Churches
             highest  bidder.  That  is  why  we                           and Mosques all around. In fact,
             are  where  we  are  today,  and                              the proliferation of Mosques and
             realistically, what do you expect                             Churches is really quite alarming
             from  someone  who  was  not                                  in  Nigeria.  We  often  give  the
             properly  elected?  Do  you  think                            world the impression that we are
             h e   w i l l   o w n   u p   t o   t h e                     a  deeply  religious  people  but
             responsibility of providing good                              when it comes to the question of
             governance  to  the  people  who                              upholding  our  religious  tenets,
             did not stand by him during the                               values  and  inclinations,  we  are
             elections? Let us for a moment                                often  found  wanting.  It  is  quite
             cast  our  minds  back  to                                         disappointing  that  we  are
             the level of vote buying                                               n o t   a l l o w i n g   o u r
             and  selling  which                                                      religious  beliefs  and
             p e r v a d e d   t h e                                                    p r a c t i c e s   t o
             entire  electoral                                                           positively  impact
             process  during                                                              on  the  political,
             t h e   l a s t                                                               economic  and
             e l e c t i o n ,                                                              social  space.
             e s p e c i a l l y                                                             This  means
                                                                                              that  we  are
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