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Clark Five, which is almost a 12-bar because it had the three chords in it, E A and B.
That was probably the first thing I learned. My proudest moment though, was when
I learned to play ‘Maggie May’.

BiTS: Really? Okay.

NS: Yeah, in the early 70s. That was quite a significant moment really, because it
meant I'd learned a whole song rather than just what appeared to be just repetitions

of chords.

BiTS: You would have still been at school in those days, of course. Did you get
together with a band or anything like that?

NS: Yes, of course. That was kind of my first experience of a band because I had a
friend, a guy called Colin, who I think, shared my like of the guitar, but he currently
didn't play. So I said it's easy, get a guitar and I'll teach it. And we used to go round

his house on a Saturday morning, and me, being an absolute novice, taught an even
more novice how to play the guitar. Say hi to Karen. Karen’s here with me.

KJ: Hello. Hi Ian.

BiTS: Hello there. Nice to speak to you.

KJ: Yes, thank you. You too, yeah.

NS: So I used to go around to Colin’s house on a Saturday afternoon and we'd start

at about midday and by about 7 o’clock his mum would kick me out because I'd been
there too long. But he had a tape recorder and that was almost like a seminal moment

for me. One of the few seminal moments that shaped a career, if you like. We used to