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assistance. The local popula-
tion who listened, and who
did not really know where
Norway is situated geogra-
phically, applauded very
heartily, cheering Norway.

Q: You say that the
Africans are awakening.
Nowadays, we see the
Chinese investing heavi-
ly in Africa, like the
Europeans used to do.
Do you think that the
Africans will accept this
new exploitation for
long?
No, not at all. With this
renaissance of the memory,
all kinds of exploitation will
come to an end. member states. They very Republic'?', you would have arise. When people suffer,
strongly influence the Human made a fool of yourself. they start to think. There is a
Q: How long do you think Rights Council, and also the Because this Constitution new global social contract
this will take? General Assembly, and that's came 4 years later. So, we that is in the making. I'm sure
the reason why the Americans know what we do not want -- about it. Georges Bernanos
It will be quite soon. I would are losing ground. Many exploitation, famine, misery writes "God has no other
say within the present genera- Europeans too are frustrated and injustice. Once liberty has hands than ours" either we
tion. because they think that they been won back by the people, change this world or nobody
invented human rights. The what will they do with it? And does it.
Q: What you are saying reason why some countries of at what speed will they do it?
is that we will enter a the South do not want to do Our desires are the horizon. Q: You say that a new
completely different geo- anything about the Darfur But the way to get there? global social contract
political situation? Crisis is because nobody is will emerge. Do you see
doing anything about In my book, I cite the Spanish a model where the State
Yes, totally. The South will Guantanamo or Palestine. poet Antonio Machado who will have a more impor-
impose themselves. What you Double standards are no lon- brings it to the point: tant role to play -- or not?
see at the Human Rights ger acceptable. "Caminante no hay camino.
Council is that the countries El camino se hace al andar." I honestly think that it's the
of the South are the ones who Q: How do you build an ("Wanderer, there is no way. civil society that will be the
have the greatest influence. internationally reconci- The way is traced by your important actor, but the natio-
The Human Rights Council, led society? own path.") nal State will recuperate its
composed of 47 states, is, normative role, perhaps not
after the Security Council and History functions in an unpre- You have to be humble in necessarily in the forefront.
the General Assembly, the dictable manner. I will give front of history. I'm sure that
most important institution of you an example. On the mor- we are at the beginning of a
the United Nations. The work ning of 14th of July 1789, the new world, because the capi-
of the Council is fascinating, workers and small tradesmen talism of the jungle has lost its
very complex and difficult, from the Fauborg St Martin mask -- the neo-liberal invisi-
but of historic importance. were marching towards La ble hand was supposed to
Bastille in order to liberate regulate everything -- nobody
The renaissance of the memo- their friends, who were politi- believes in it anymore. And
ry has given birth to two cal prisoners. They took the behind it you find speculators
strong groups that dominate Bastille, liberated the priso- and criminals. So the empire
the UN, both here in Geneva ners and burned the fortress. of jungle capitalism has been
and in New York. One is the This was the beginning of the broken. In the developing
Organization of the Islamic French Revolution. So if you, world many more people will
Conference (OIC) which is a as a reporter, would have been die from hunger, and also in
very well-organized organiza- present in Paris on that day, the western world many peo-
tion with fifty-three member and you would have asked the ple will suffer namely with
states, and the Non-aligned insurgents: "Now tell me increased unemployment.
Movement (NAM) with 117 what is the exact formulation The people of the western
of the Constitution of the First world will awake. They will
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