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ceed in getting it published. In  not progress. Likewise, for 42   The hatred of the West is also  Full nationalisation was not
             1961 a confidential edition of  years, Nuclear disarmament   fuelled by the world order, as  possible for Morales; so you
             his masterpiece, The  has been stalled.         it is today imposed by  needed to come up with a pro-
             Destruction of the European                     Western capitalism. Every  posal in negotiations that
             Jews, did not receive much  We could see this at the  five seconds, a child under the  would be acceptable to the
             attention. It was not until  Durban Conference in 2001,   age of 10 dies of hunger, and  companies.
             1985,  when the second edi-  and in four month's time we   963 million people in the
             tion of his book came out, that  will restart here in Geneva. I   world -- that is almost one  Norwegian experts came and
             he really attracted worldwide  fear that it will be a bigger  person out of six -- is gravely  examined each oil field, and
             attention and that the scienti-  catastrophe than before,  and permanantly undernou-  they arrived at the average
             fic authority of Mr Hilberg  namely because of the arro-  rished. The people of the  figure of 18% -- with 18% of
             was internationally recogni-  gance and the cynicism of  South see a direct connection  the revenues it was still profi-
             zed -- twenty-five years later!  some Western governments.   between the genocide of the  table for the foreign oil com-
                                     They do not excuse themsel-  native population, slavery and  panies to exploit the field. The
             Today we are witnessing ano-  ves, nor do they want to make   colonialism. Today it is the  Norwegians told the
             ther return of memory: the  reparations.        tyranny of the globalized  American lawyers who are
             memories of the people of the                   financial capital which  specialized in this field -- and,
             South have endured terrible  In December 2007, the  oppresses the people of the  by the way, were paid by
             suffering from slavery. For  French President went to   Southern Hemisphere.   Hugo Chavez under the dicta-
             350  years they endured the  Algiers to negotiate an agree-             te of the Norwegians -- how
             worst conditions during  ment between France and   0: You make reference to  to formulate the contracts and
             which more than 40 million  Algeria. The two delegations   Norway in your book.  leave 18% of the profits for
             persons were deported in the  were seated at the table and,   Why?      the oil companies.
             most atrocious conditions.  before the negotiations star-
             Then came the horrors of  ted, the Algerian President   Norway is a Lutheran coun-  This was based on the
             colonialism. With the notable  Abdela.ziz Bouteflika said to   try. Norwegians have a mora-  Norwegian model. You
             exception of South Africa,  French President Nicolas  lity that is unique in the  control your oil, but it's a
             colonial rule ended fifty years  Sarkozy: "First, you must pre-  world. Norwegian foreign  small country in partnership
             ago when most Asian and  sent your excuses for the mas-  policy is dictated by Lutheran  with international oil compa-
             African countries gained their  sacres of Serif' (where 40,000   morality. Norway practises  nies. The Norwegians told the
             independence.           women, children and men  solidarity with the people of  Bolivians: if you leave them
                                     were injured or killed on 8  the South because of its reli-  with 18%, and you keep 82%,
                                                                      values.
                                                                                The  it's still profitable for them.
             The last country to abolish  May 1945 by the French   gious
             slavery was Brazil in 1888,  Army).             Norwegians also have know-  Previously, the Bolivian State
             and that's 120 years ago. So                    how and high expertise --  only received 5% of the reve-
             the question is: why is it only  President Sarkozy replied:  because of North Sea oil they  nues. So, within six months
             now that these memories are  "But, I've not come here for   have excellent engineers,  from 1 July 2006, Bolivia
             coming to the fore -- so late! I  the nostalgia". President  managers, etc.   signed 220 contracts for oil
             have put forward some hypo-  Bouteflika replied: "Memory                explotation. There was only
             theses in my book.      comes before business" -- and   I had the chance to discuss  one company that refused this
                                     there was no business.   this matter with the President  deal, and that was a Swiss
             One of them is that the                         of Bolivia, Evo Morales  company which was subse-
             memory of the South is now  This phenomenon is radically   Ayma. He told me that it was  quently nationalized. The
             awakening. It's a wounded  new.                 the President of Venezuela,  Norwegian calculations were
             memory which is being trans-                    Hugo Chavez, who had told  really perfect.
             formed concretely into  Q: In your book you  him to contact the
             requests for compensation  denounce the WTO, the   Norwegians to obtain assis-  From a social point of view,
             and excuses. On the other  cotton issue, etc. Does   tance. The problem was the  Bolivia was the second poo-
             side, you have the Western  this mean that you are   following. Evo Morales could  rest country on the continent
             countries that dominate the  opposed to globaliza-  not nationalize his country's  after Haiti. Today the new
             world. The white population,  tion?             oil and gas resources; his  billions of the oil revenues
             although representing only                      country did not have the  help transform the country
             13% of the world's popula-  No. It's certain that through   expertise. Morales needed to  and eliminate misery. In
             tion, dominates the Earth and  this renaissance of the memo-  maintain the presence of the  Bolivia, 800 Cuban doctors
             has done so for 500 years.  ry, new historical forces have   oil companies in his country,  are building the health system
             Many of the western govern-  been mobilisied. In 2005,  but to transform them from all  for the poorest people.
             ments give their answer by  Bolivia elected the first native   powerful companies into ser-
             refusal, arrogance and cyni-  Indian President after 500   vice companies. Today the  In his speech on 1 May 2007,
             cism. This is the reason why  years of colonialism and neo-  oilfields belong to Bolivia, the  in the Plaza Murillo,
             the United Nations is being  colonial regimes. The hurt   research and exploration is  President Morales thanked
             almost paralyzed. Look, for  memory has resurfaced. It has   mostly done by the private  Norway. He said "long live
             instance, at the UN  been transformed in a power-  foreign companies.   the Norwegian people" and
             Millennium Goals -- they do  ful political force.                       he thanked them for their
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