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Greenwald speaks Trump
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                                                                                                  War Two American power wheth-  – I think you’re going to see a lot of
                                                                                                  er  its  commitment  to  NATO,  or   that from each side.
                                                                                                  just a general position he has with
                                                                                                  regards to whether regime change   We’ve  seen  that  courts
                                                                                                  wars are justifiable and in particu-  have presented a road block to
                                                                                                  lar  whether  the  CIA  proxy  war  in   Trump’s  Muslim  ban.  Are  the
                                                                                                  Syria is something that ought to be   US’s  constitutional  arrange-
                                                                                                  expanded  or  continued.  In  pretty   ments  robust  enough  to  stop
                                                                                                  every  one  of  those  cases  he’s  ei-  someone  like  Trump  from  in-
                                                                                                  ther  taken  the  position  that’s  the   flicting serious damage?
                                                                                                  opposite of what the CIA wants for
                                                                                                  its  own  power  or  ideology  or  he’s   It  helps.  The  idea  of  the  con-
                                                                                                  asking serious questions about his   stitution and of the courts and the
                                                                                                  commitment  to  continuing  this   reason  why  these  judges  have  life
                                                                                                  bipartisan  framework  [between   tenures  is  because  they’re  sup-
                                                                                                  Democrats and Republicans]. And   posed to be immune from political
                                                                                                  so I think they regard Trump in par-  sentiment.  No  matter  how  popu-
                                                                                                  ticular  as  a  unique  kind  of  threat,   lar  a  particular  abuse  is  (because
                                                                                                  and  I  think  they’re  much  more   these judges can’t be removed from
                                                                                                  comfortable with a standard, right-  office,  they  don’t  have  to  run  for
                                                                                                  wing politician. Some of it is about   election), the idea is that they will
                                                                                                  internal jockeying for power which   defend these rights even when it’s
                                                                                                  you  often  see  with  governments.   really impossible to do so. But that’s
                                                                                                  I  think  they  also  feel  threatened   the  the  theory!  The  reality  is  that
                                                                                                  by people like General Flynn who   these judges have been nominated
                                                                                                  have a lot of hostility towards the   by Republican Presidents and even
                                                                                                  intelligence  community  bureau-  under  Democratic  Presidents  who
                                                                                                  cracy,  and  will  be  worrying  about   knew  that  judges  who  were  too
                                                                                                  what their place is likely to be if he   pro-Liberty  and  anti-police  state
       agencies  in  the  name  of  stopping   cases it’s used in are in non-terror-  you  think  they  are  opening  a   gains too much authority.  probably couldn’t get confirmed so
       radical  Islam  or  terrorist  attacks   ism  settings  for  drug  crimes,  for   new  front  against  right-lean-        you have years or even decades of
       or  whatever  the  nomenclature  is.   financial  crimes,  completely  un-  ing  politicians  similar  to  what   But the FBI has the exact oppo-  judges  who  have  been  confirmed
       And once those powers are vested   related to national security. These   we’ve  seen  in  the  past  against   site posture to the CIA in that they   who have demonstrated a willing-
       they are almost expanded well be-  powers take root but nobody cares   left-leaning  activists  and  civil   were  very  favourable  to  Trump,   ness to justify and defend really rad-
       yond the original targeted groups.   because  everyone’s  told  it’s  only   rights  leaders  with  COINTEL-  and so I think there is a very seri-  ical  police  power,  especially  ones
       The Patriot Act is probably the best   going  to  be  Muslims  who  are  af-  PRO and more recently the tar-  ous danger that Trump can and in-  that have been put in place in the
       example.  When  it  was  enacted  it   fected, then eventually it starts to   geting of Muslims as part of the   tends to empower the FBI and use   name  of  national  security.  So  the
       was supposed to be temporary. We   erode  all  basic  liberties  for  every-  War on Terror?  it as his personal police force which   practical matter is that you will see
       were told it was necessary because   body.                                                 I do think can then start to reintro-  some  resistance,  some  push  back,
       of the terror threat and it’s now 16                            I think that they regard Trump   duce  dangers.  I  think  we’re  going   some limits imposed from the judi-
       years old – it’s the opposite of tem-  You’re adamant that the CIA   as a particular threat to the the pre-  to  see  a  lot  of  dirty  game  playing   ciary, but I certainly wouldn’t want
       porary, it’s a permanent part of our   has in your own words ‘gone to   vailing  order.  He’s  questioned  the   whether  it’s  leaking  or  fabricating   to count on the judiciary saving the
       fixture, and then I think 85% of the   war  with  Donald  Trump’.  Do   kind of foundations of post-World   claims or just outright subversion   Republic from Trump’s abuses.
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