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                    apprehension of not-self and becoming more   depth of apprehension of certain ideas that
                    selfless in the moral sense of the term.  more adept meditators have had, but I’ve had
                                                              enough brushes with some insights, especially
                    You suggest that this is one of Buddhism’s   while on retreat, to get a sense for what it’s
                    most remarkable claims: that seeing the   like. And I think I can safely say that accepting
                    truth of things will also make you a good   the intellectual arguments is not the same
                    person.                                   thing as experiencing the truth.



                    Yes, I think this claim is underappreciated.   My hope is that the arguments in Why
                    Wouldn’t it be amazing if the truth about   Buddhism is True—and in particular the
                    reality naturally converges with your     explanations for why natural selection built
                    happiness and moral truth? When you think   the mind to be the way it is—will make
                    about it, that’s the Buddhist claim. As you see   people more inclined to explore these things
                    things more clearly, you’ll suffer less, and you’ll   meditatively. Perhaps people who have never
                    also be less of a jerk. That’s an incredible claim   meditated might be tempted. But I hope
                    about the very structure of reality.      also that people who already meditate and
                                                              get some therapeutic benefit out of it, but
                    In the book, you make both intellectual   haven’t really taken the enlightening aspects
                    arguments and experiential arguments      of meditation all that seriously, might now
                    to support your case. The intellectual    be inclined to pursue the practice more
                    arguments rest primarily on the findings   intensively.
                    of modern psychology and the experiential
                    arguments come from your personal         This article was first published
                    experience meditating. Can you talk about   on GarrisonInstitute.org
                    the relationship between these different
                    kinds of evidence?                        Sam Mowe is the editor of Lineages, a
                                                              publication of the Garrison Institute. He
                    Well, I didn’t want to rely too much on my   is a regular contributor to Spirituality &
                    own reports of my own experiences. I use   Health. This interview was first published
                    them to supplement, and hopefully enrich,   in Lineages, a Garrison Institute publication.
                    the argument I make in the book. But I hope   For more information about the Garrison
                    that the basic argument could be appraised   Institute, please visit garrisoninstitute.org.
                    by someone who’s never meditated. It doesn’t   EH
                    depend on your having had some particular set
                    of experiences.


                    It is a really interesting feature of Buddhist
                    history that, on the one hand, Buddhist
                    philosophers argue their propositions the
                    way Western philosophers do and, on the
                    other hand, they also believe that the truths
                    can be directly, experientially apprehended.
                    Because to just buy the intellectual arguments
                    is definitely not the same thing as, in a sense,
                    feeling the truth of these things. I mean, of
                    course I can’t personally say that I’ve had the
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