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Ki Hajar Dewantoro's opinion above is almost the same as

           Langeveld's that the place or place of education is family, school
           and youth association. Langeveld looked at who was working on

           this forum, while Ki Hajar Dewantoro looked at it from the side of

           the venue.
                  If  the  two  opinions  above  can  be  concluded,  then  the

           educational forum is centered on:
                  ➢  Family

                  ➢  Public
                  ➢  Country or school

                  ➢  Youth and religious organizations

           K.  Educational Limits
                  This chapter discusses when education begins and when it

           ends. According to Langeveld "not only will education end, but it
           must end unless we reject the view that the language of maturity is

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           the first natural goal of man."
                  According to John Dewey "The educational process has no

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           end beyond itself, it is its own end" . Dewey views education in
           terms of the process where education is defined as a guide to the


           21 Langeveld, Beknopte Theoretische Paedagogiek (Jakarta: Nasco, 1980), p.
           60.
           22 HAR Tilaar, Indonesian Culture and Civil Society Education; national
           education reform strategy, (Bandung: Youth Rosdakarya, 2000), Cet. to. 2, h.
           29, which means: The educational process has no purpose outside of
           education, education itself is the goal.
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